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Logical contradictions and the trinity

This question may seem strange, but I believe it is valid. It is commonly understood that God cannot create logical contradictions, such as a square circle, or make 1+1=3. However, it seems that the ...
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According to the Doctrine of the Trinity, is God split up?

As the question goes: is God split up? I have this theory, and hopefully, I'm not alone in this, that God the Father was one, before He split Himself into three, meaning that the trinity must be wrong ...
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How does a Trinitarian explain the role each "person" of the Trinity plays, in the creation of Adam or an animal?

Trinitarians believe that God exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is also a belief amongst Trinitarians that Jesus is both the Son of God and God, that he existed before his ...
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According to Trinitarians, how could Jesus (God the Son) be GIVEN life in Himself (John 5:26), if he shares the same essence of being than the Father?

A similar question has been asked here, but no details have been asked other than how Trinitarians interpret this verse. The top answer of the linked question talks about the Son being "eternally ...
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Why does the Nicene Creed not use the attribute ' consubstantial ' for the Holy Spirit?

Following are some excerpts from the Nicene Creed: I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from ...
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Are the 3 Persons of the Trinity dependent on each other?

So I'm recently trying to reconnect with my faith and I stumbled across the doctrine of the Trinity, and so a question came across my mind especially after I got into a debate with a muslim friend ...
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How do Trinitarian Christians respond to these differences between Jesus Christ and God

How do people who believe in the theology of The Holy Trinity respond to these clear differences between God and Jesus Christ? # The Father Jesus Christ 1. God is not put to the test (Deut 6:16) ...
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In the Athanasian Creed, is the Son part of the Father?

In the Athanasian Creed, the three Persons are one God, and the ‘one God’ is the Trinity. The question is, how are the three Persons one God? If Father = Son = Spirit, that would be Modalism, where ...
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What are some arguments for/against ontological subordinationism? [closed]

I have seen that earlier Church fathers such as Tertullian and Origen - among others - were subordinationists. Why are they correct/wrong? I appreciate both biblical and logic arguments.
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What have been excellent ways for Christian theologians to describe the concept of God, who is also the Trinity?

Triune Godhead It goes without saying that Christianity is based on the concept of a Triune Godhead, a Trinity, a Tri-unity. But those theological words do not make it any easier for the lay person, ...
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According to trinitarians (or binitarians): How can God the Son be “appointed heir of all things“ (Hebrews 1:2) if „all belongs to Him“ already?

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV) says about the Son of God: [God] hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; So God (the Father I ...
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Why does God command his already perfectly loyal Angels to worship the second person of the Godhead (Hebrews 1:6)?

Hebrews 1:6 (NIV) says: when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” My question is for Trinitarians, Modalists and Binitarians: Why was it necessary ...
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How can Jesus Christ be a "mediator between God and men" when he himself is fully God?

According to the Thayer's Greek Lexicon, the word "mediator" (greek: mesités) has the meaning of: one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or ...
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According to Trinitarians, did the stature of the Eternal Logos get diminished?

Trinitarians assert that Jesus is the Eternal Word of God. From John 1 they assert personified pronouns in order to claim this chapter supports this idea. This assertion of ambiguous Greek pronouns ...
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How do Trinitarians reconcile Jesus' words in John 5:31 with the view that GOD the Father / the Son / the Holy Spirit are the same being?

In John 5:31, Jesus said the following: If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. There is another who testifies in my favour, and I know that his testimony about me is true. ‘You have ...
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Is it absolutely required for people to believe in the deity of Jesus to be called Christians? [closed]

The more I study scripture the more I realise that all those proof texts for the deity of Christ can also be interpreted in another way that points more in the direction that Jesus is an Elohim but ...
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Does the New Testament state that Jesus Christ is the 'image' and the 'likeness' of God?

I am seeking answers from Protestant Trinitarians in regard to the statement in Genesis 1:27 that humanity was made in the image and the likeness of God ; and whether this actually refers to the ...
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If God was not created, and He is eternal, the why was His form - i.e. the Holy Spirit and His Son, perfectly suited to salvation?

The Son only has to exist if Man needed to saved, He is not inherent by any means. Likewise, a similar argument can be made for the Holy Ghost. How, then, can all three Persons of the Trinity be ...
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If all persons of the Trinity have the same/a united will what does Jesus mean in John 6:38?

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me Surely this implies they have separate wills?
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Divine Relations of the Trinity

I have been studying the Trinity recently, and most of my studies have been from St. Thomas Aquinas, in his Summa Theologiae, and he would agree that the persons are the divine Essence. One thing ...
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Reference request: Trying to locate the reference of a quote by Pope Athanasius of Alexandria about the Trinity

I read this quote for Saint Athanasius of Alexandria in an Arabic book, but I am trying to locate the source (reference) of that quote (in which work for Athanasius), or something of the similar ...
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Why are the Nicene and Dedication Creeds so different?

The Nicene and Dedication Councils were attended by more or less the same people and were only 16 years apart (325 vs 341) but resulted in opposing creeds. The Nicene Creed is pro-Sabellian but the ...
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Do Seventh Day Adventists believe in three Centers of Consciousness in God?

I want to ask my Seventh-Day Adventist friends about their view of the Trinity. I was listening this morning to one of your preachers. He said that EGW never refers to the Trinity but is adamant there ...
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Was Tertullian a Sabellian? [closed]

Recently, I stated in an article that Tertullian was a Sabellian. One person objected and quoted a passage that states that Tertullian was “one of the chief critics of Sabellianism.” Consequently, I ...
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How many minds exist within the Holy Trinity? [duplicate]

Normally I would hear the answer is one mind, but I was wondering; If beliefs are part of your mind, and since Jesus (the second person) would believe "I am the Son of God" and the Father ...
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Was Athanasius a Sabellian?

For an overview of Sabellian theology, see - The Sabellians of the Fourth Century. The main characteristic is that God is only one hypostasis (Reality or Person). Jesus Christ, therefore, is not one ...
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Why was homoousios not mentioned for 20 years after Nicaea?

In the “centuries-old account of the Council of Nicaea: … The whole power of the mysterious dogma is at once established by the one word homoousios … with one pronouncement the Church identified a ...
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(For denominations who accept icons) Who is "Jesus Christ of the old days" icon?

I'm Eastern Orthodox, but this question can be answered by catholics and any denomination that accepts icons. I went today to my local church and I saw a painting on a wall that I never noticed. It ...
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How does the soul fit in with the existence

My question(s) relates to how the soul fits in with the existence "equation" and I have 2 main questions: Is the human soul part of your person or your essence, if essence then do humans ...
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Significance of one divine essence/nature

All human beings share a common nature/essence, yet are not one "being", but the 3 persons of the Trinity share a common essence/nature and are one being. I have 3 questions here: What ...
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Which theologian advised Theodosius?

This question is based on chapter 23 of the 1988 book by R.P.C. Hanson - The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God: The Arian Controversy, 318-381. "RH" in the quotes below refers to this ...
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What does it mean that the Spirit proceeds from the Father?

The Bible describes the Son as "the only begotten from the Father" (John 1:14). A child is begotten only once. Therefore, I understand "begotten" as a human analogy for how the ...
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Is the theory of Eternal Generation now redundant?

I note that many modern theologians no longer translate monogenēs as “only begotten” but as “unique” or as "one of a kind." Most modern English versions have adopted this new understanding ...
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Catholic Sources Which Point to the Three Visitors to Abraham in Gen. 18 as The Holy Trinity?

Most of the commentary that I have read regarding the identities of the Three Visitors to Abraham in Genesis 18 have all agreed that God (without specifying which Person) was one of them. Many seem to ...
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The Holy Spirit and Revelation 14:1

Revelation 14:1 states (ESV translation): Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. Now, the ...
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What pronouns make most sense when referencing the Trinity?

The Trinity is 3 persons sharing 1 essence. They share It. (Where does the "He", "Him", "Me", "My" come from?) Jesus uses plural personified pronouns when ...
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Will all glorified children of God take on the title/name of YHWH in the age to come?

God is 1. I think we can all agree with Jesus' most important commandment... the Shema. I've been told here by the most prudent of Trinitarians, that YHWH is not a being or a person, but instead 3 ...
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In what way(s) is God the Father a father to God the Son? And in what way(s) is God the Son a son?

Every concept and Truth is from the creative mind of God. This includes what defines a father and a son. By observation, we can know how God defines a father within His design. Some examples of ...
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In what sense was mankind created in the image of a triune essence?

God created mankind in His image. Gen 1 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over ...
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Trinitarian Ontology... What is it? Being vs person vs essence vs _______

I will try to ask this unique question again. How can we answer here without defining simple words used to define God? Premise From Wikipedia: Ontology addresses questions of how entities are ...
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According to the Trinitarian interpretation of John 17:3, if Jesus's God and Father is the 1 True God, what type of god is Jesus?

If the Father is the only God who is True, than what type of godhood is the 2nd person of the trinity? John 17:3 (Jesus speaking to his God and Father) And this is eternal life, that they may know ...
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Why does the Trinitarian Formula start with "In the NAME…" and not "In the NAMES…"?

Today the Universal Church celebrates the Solemnity of the Holy Trinity. In the Trinitarian Formula, we invoke the NAME (singular) of the Three Persons of the Trinity. In English we say: "In the ...
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For Trinitarians, why is it important to posit Jesus's human nature continued existence post ascension?

Christians belief that God exists in three persons, although being just one entity. One of them is the Father who created the visible and the invisible world. I understand, that the Father was just ...
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How can trinitarians profess co-equality when Jesus said the Father was greater?

Trinitarians typically believe that the persons of the Trinity are coequal. How do they explain Jesus' statement that his Father was greater? Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come ...
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Do Trinitarian denominations believe that the Holy Spirit is omniscient, and do any believe denying it is worthy of expulsion of members?

What is a survey of beliefs in contemporary Trinitarian denominations regarding whether the Holy Spirit - a co-equal person of the Godhead - is omniscient? Do any hold members should be expelled if ...
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According to Trinitarian theologians, why is Christ distinguished from God at 1 Corinthians 11:3 as a man is distinguished from Christ?

1 Corinthians 11:3 is But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. It seems we have 3 distinct beings in the ...
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According to Trinitarians who believe Philippians 2:6 says Jesus is God, why did Paul add the word 'form' ('morphe')?

Philippians 2:6 is "Ὃς ἐν μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ" "Hos en morphe theou hyparchon ouch harpagmon hegesato to einai isa theo" In his talk ...
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How can the hypostases be distinct? (Identity Trinitarianism)

NOTE: This question is aimed at those who hold a particular view of the Trinity. If you do not hold the view I am referring to, then this question is not directed torwards you Thomists and other ...
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How do Trinitarians deal with this contradiction regarding the Creator?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. If a Trinitarian is asked which God is being referred to, which God created the heaven and the earth at the beginning, MOST, if not ...
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According to Trinitarians, which person/essence/being/substance/relation is "the Living God"?

Psalm 84:2 My soul longs, yes, even faints For the courts of YHWH; My heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the ...
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