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I have only quotations from Lactantius and Sulpicius Severus (where he talked about St. Martin), but ChatGPT said that there are quotes from Cyprian, Ambrose, Tertullian, Chrysostomos, Gregor of Nazianz, Origen and many more.

BUT when I search for the exact quotes on NewAdvent.org, I can’t find these quotes that ChatGPT gave me. And that is very disappointing.

So I hope that you can help me maybe.

Thanks and may god bless you all!

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    chatGPT allucinate badly. I searched (Google) for the "The task of the priest is to teach, not to kill" quote and found nothing.
    – Candid Moe
    Commented Nov 30 at 21:45
  • Did you look a St. Augustine's answer do the Donatists on New Advent? I was going to try using it to answer this, but I wound up with more questions than answers.
    – Peter Turner
    Commented Dec 3 at 1:43

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I need quotations from church fathers who were against killing heretics…

First of all St. John Chrysostom (347-407), in his Homily 46 on Matthew, which deals with kingdom of heaven compared like a man who sowed good seed in his field. Bu while all were sleeping, the enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. The weeds are heretics and are not to be pulled out, lest the faithful be be pulled out at the same time. The Church is to learn how to silence the heretics...

What then does the Master? He forbids them, saying, Lest haply ye root up the wheat with them. And this He said, to hinder wars from arising, and blood and slaughter. For it is not right to put a heretic to death, since an implacable war would be brought into the world. By these two reasons then He restrains them; one, that the wheat be not hurt; another, that punishment will surely overtake them, if incurably diseased. Wherefore, if you would have them punished, yet without harm to the wheat, I bid you wait for the proper season.

But what means, Lest ye root up the wheat with them? Either He means this, If you are to take up arms, and to kill the heretics, many of the saints also must needs be overthrown with them; or that of the very tares it is likely that many may change and become wheat. If therefore ye root them up beforehand, you injure that which is to become wheat, slaying some, in whom there is yet room for change and improvement. He does not therefore forbid our checking heretics, and stopping their mouths, and taking away their freedom of speech, and breaking up their assemblies and confederacies, but our killing and slaying them. - Homily 46 on Matthew

Before Christianity’s triumph over paganism, its major tool in punishing heretics was excommunication. From the end of the fourth century the emperors generally felt bound to use their power to preserve orthodox doctrine. Penalties for heretics included confiscation of property, banishment, and death.

In 385, Priscillian, a bishop in Spain, was the first person to be executed for heresy, though this sentence was roundly condemned by prominent church leaders like St. Ambrose. Priscillian was also accused of gross sexual immorality and acceptance of magic, but some sort of politics may have been involved in his sentencing.

It seems most of the Church Fathers were against the execution of heretics, but were in favour of types of sanctions such as excommunication, exile, etc.

St. Ignatius, gives us a modern-sounding warning: “Where God builds a church, the devil builds a chapel close by.”

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  • So, christians thinks that killing heretics is the right way to deal with them, and they refrains to do only on practical reason?
    – Candid Moe
    Commented Dec 1 at 7:23
  • @CandidMoe - two books: 1st: "The Pilgrim Church" by E. H. Broadband ('This is the saga of those intrepid believers [since Pentecost] "of whom the world was not worthy," who were not only persecuted by civil authorities, but were denounced, defamed, and decimated by the professing church. 2nd "The Subversive Puritan" by Mostyn Roberts. This is about Roger Williams and his battle for freedom of religion in the American colonies, and the founding of Rhode Island State, the first state in the world with freedom of religion written in its legal charter. Commented Dec 1 at 8:15
  • @CandidMoe - See also christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/80625/… Commented Dec 1 at 8:18
  • Thank you for answering! Do you know where I can find the exact quote from St. Ambrose that he didn’t like the execution of Priscillian? I can’t find it sadly… Commented Dec 5 at 17:12
  • Will try to find out
    – Ken Graham
    Commented Dec 5 at 19:59

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