I have searched many sites to find evidence of the incorrupted body of St. Cecilia. But I have failed to find any evidence of the real body, only statues of the saint. Can anyone help to find out real photo of the saint's incorrupted body?
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1Why don't you share the story so the rest of will be brought up to speed on your request?– SteveCommented Jul 19, 2014 at 12:25
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Welcome to the site. We are glad you decided to participate. Well, this is an odd question for this site. and does not really fit into one of the question types that the community finds acceptable. I don't really see it as harmful or likely to bring trolls, so I'm okay with it, but if you could edit in more details please and possibly a link about this St. Celia that would be great.– user3961Commented Jul 19, 2014 at 14:46
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Related (but not a duplicate): christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/27928/…– bruised reedCommented Jul 19, 2014 at 18:10
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Here is an article on the saint St. Cecilia | New Advent. It mentions the saint's body, but does not give an indication as to whether it is corrupt or not.
This may also be of interest: St. Cecilia
Cases of incorruptibility go back a long way. The first saint whose body was found to be incorrupt was St. Cecilia, who was martyred in AD 177. Her remains were moved to a new site in 822, and in 1599 an exhumation revealed her body to be incorrupt. Over the centuries more than 100 cases of saints whose bodies have remained incorruptible have come to light, sometimes, as with St. Cecilia, many years after their death.
This photo in The crypt of St.Cecilia | The Christian Catacombs of Rome depicts he statue of St.Cecilia a copy of the celebrated work sculptured by Stefano Maderno in 1599.
From this artice Santa Cecilia in Trastevere - Rome, Italy - Sacred Destinations and this St Cecilia | MADERNO, Stefano, the statue represents the position in which St Cecilia's body was found. A section in the former has:
In front of the choir is a moving sculpture by Stefano Maderno of Cecilia's incorrupt body as it was found when exhumed in 1599. Contorted and yest somehow graceful, the statue is hignly unusual and has great emotional impact.
Long answer short: no display of the body itself and no pictures of the body itself for obvious reasons, should the body continue to be incorrupt [has cuts in the neck], the body would be as the statues depict it. Her relics are in Trastevere, in the basilica dedicated to her, since they were transferred there in 821.
St. Cecilia is a Patron Saint of Musicians, a good saint to be invoked in a family where say, the children are learning music.
PS You could also write to the Basilica.
This article is a synthesis for many sources I've had read, everything relevant about her incorruption which is likely past. Sorry for my too late reply.
Some interesting point from it is: When her incorrupt body was found, her head were never seen, It was like a bag of cloth in it. It makes sense, since Pope Paschoale had removed her head nine centuries before. And only in 1599 the remained part of her skull has found near to this bag.
Paschoale als well get some pieces of her head and a today still displayed ulmerus
After the flooding in 1911 in Trastevere, exhumations were made. Both Valerian and Tiburcius gravisites are flooded, unless Cecilia's one. It's said that their bones were cleaned, and a last piece of Cecilia's cloth has been disintegrated. That's the last well know time whose relics were seen.
Il corpo di santa Cecilia (Roma, III-XVII secolo)
When in Albi, the alleged skull is compatible with the description of lacking a small part, and this relic is signed to Sant Cecilia ("Châsse de Sainte Cécile")
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Welcome to the site Marcelo. Do you know if any of these relics have the letters of authenticity to accompany them. If not, doubt will remain that they are indeed the authentic relics of St. Cecilia. If these are the genuine relics of St. Cecilia why are there no formal known history about them? To my knowledge, she is still entombed in her original resting place?– Ken Graham ♦Commented Aug 9, 2021 at 15:10
Well, Some facts we should take into account.
Her head was cut off from her body and for centuries and centuries the relic was held for popes, archbishops, kings, and it's a very very very long history those sources are too much (especially in Italian) and I put them soon. Recently her relic was shown in a video of the relic's visit to Descalzas Reales. Apparently only bone has remained. We can't see the nose tissue protuberance. Here is a YouTube video on this: Relíquia de Santa Cecília.
The second known relic is her right hand, in a glorious condition:
http://www.noteartistiche.it/san_giacomo/reliquiario-santa-cecilia.html
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Not saying this is the correct answer or not. But are there papers of authenticity to accompany these relics. If yes, then these are the real McCoy. If no, then a true doubt exists that they are the genuine article. Can you substantiate your claim as to what you call facts?– Ken Graham ♦Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 3:40
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1If these are the genuine relics of St. Cecilia why are there no formal known history about them? To my knowledge, she is still entombed in her original resting place? Sorry to cast doubt here, but the hand does not hold to the way her fingers were arranged at her death. This is an important point because in death St. Cecilia was teaching us about the Trinity with the positioning of her fingers while dying. I find it hard to believe that someone would have straightened her fingers knowing the story of her martyrdom.– Ken Graham ♦Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 7:22
Yes, according to
one of the most documented exhumations of any Saint’s body [that] occurred in 1599, when Cardinal Sfondrato ordered the restoration of some parts of the basilica. On October 20 of that year, during the course of work being done under and near the high altar, two white marble sarcophagi were discovered, which corresponded with the description left by Pascal I of the caskets containing the relics of the holy martyrs. The Cardinal had the sarcophagi opened in the presence of witnesses of unquestionable integrity. After the marble covering was removed, the original cypress casket was found in a good state of preservation. The Cardinal, with understandable emotion, raised the lid, exposing to view the treasure that had been confided to the grave by Popes Urban and Pascal. The mortal remains were found in the same position in which the Saint had died almost 1,500 years before. Through a silk veil that modestly covered the body could be seen the gold-embroidered dress of the Saint, the mortal wound in the neck and the blood-stained clothes. Pope Clement VIII was informed at once of the discovery but was unable to visit the tomb immediately because of a severe attack of the gout but sent instead Cardinal Baronius, who together with Antonio Bosio, the explorer of subterranean Rome, left us priceless descriptive documents relating to the events of this exhumation.
Peering through the ancient veil that covered the body, they noted that Cecilia was of small stature and that her head was turned downward, but due to a “holy reverence,” no further examination was made. Bosio recorded his opinion that the Saint was found in the same position in which she had expired.1
1. Ludwig von Pastor, The History of the Popes—Drawn from the Secret Archives of the Vatican and other Original Sources, vol. XXIV (London: Kegan, Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co., 1933), 521.
—Cruz, The Incorruptibles, ch. 1
Does the incorrupted body of St. Cecilia still exist?
Unless one can provide absolute proof to the contrary, yes the body of St. Cecilia is still incorrupt.
While Marcelo de Oliveira Santos answer puts forth convincing images that the body of St. Cecilia is no longer incorruptible. However the post has a few points of needed evidence that is lacking with serious supportive documents.
- Public veneration of relics can not be held unless the papers of authenticity are well established and accompanying the presumed relics. He does not provide these documents.
- The positioning of the hand is in conflict with the known position of St. Cecilia’s hand when she was buried.
The Passio Sancæ Cæciliæ is marked on the most ancient Calendars on the 16th of September, (Martyrology of Jerome) and took place, according to the primitive Acts, under the emperors Marcus Aurelius and Commodus. The great feast of November 22nd, preceded by a Vigil, was one of the most solemn on the Roman Cycle; it recalled the dedication of the church raised on the site of the palace which had been sanctified by the blood of the descendant of the Metelli, and had been bequeathed by her when dying to Bishop Urban, representative of Pope Eleutherius. This Urban having been later on confounded with the Pope of the same name, who governed the Church in the time of Alexander Severus, the martyrdom of our Saint was thought to have occurred half a century later, as we still read in the Legend of the Office.
It was most probably in the year 178 that Cæcilia joined Valerian in heaven, whence, a few months before, the Angel of the Lord had descended, bringing wreaths of lilies and roses to the two spouses.
She was buried by Urban, just as she lay at the moment of death. In the beginning of the following century, the family crypt was given by her relatives to the Roman church, and was set apart for the burial of the Popes. In the ninth century, Paschal I found her surrounded by these venerable tombs, and brought her back in triumph on May 8th, 822, to her house in the Trastevere, where she remains to this day.
On the 20th of October, 1599, in the course of the excavations required for the restoration of the basilica, Cæcilia was once more brought forth to the admiring gaze of the city and of the world. She was clad in her robe of cloth of gold, on which traces of her virginal blood were still discernible; at her feet were some pieces of linen steeped in the purple of her martyrdom. Lying on her right side with her arms stretched before her, she seemed in a deep sleep. Her neck still bore the marks of the wounds inflicted by the executioner’s sword; her head, in a mysterious and touching position, was turned towards the bottom of the coffin. The body was in a state of perfect preservation; and the whole attitude, retained by an antique prodigy during so many centuries in all its grace and modesty, brought before the eyes with a striking truthfulness Cæcilia breathing her last sigh stretched on the floor of the bath chamber.
The spectators were carried back in thought to the day when the holy bishop Urban had enclosed the sacred body in the cypress chest, without altering the position chosen by the bride of Christ to breathe forth her soul into the arms of her divine Spouse. They admired also the discretion of Pope Paschal, who had not disturbed the virgin’s repose, but had preserved for posterity so magnificent a spectacle. (Dom Guernager, St Cécile et la société romaine…)
Cardinal Sfondrate, titular of St. Cæcilia, who directed the works, found also in the chapel called of the Bath the heating stove and vents of the sudatorium, where the Saint passed a day and a night in the midst of scalding vapors. Recent excavations have brought to light other objects belonging to the patrician home, which by their style, belong to the early days of the Republic. - St Cæcilia, Virgin & Martyr ~ Dom Prosper Gueranger
There we have it! No further information about the relics of St. Cecilia. Where the bones found on the YouTube videos and other sources (Relíquia de Santa Cecília and Reliquiario della mano di Santa Cecilia are from I do not know, but if these were authentic, the information would be know in Catholic circles. Sorry but it is a real doubt of authenticity in my mind: a dubium. “Only relics that have been certified as authentic can be exposed for veneration by the faithful.”
If the videos, and etc. are authentic, why would the hand position have been altered. In dead St. Cecilia spoke to us about the Sacred Trinity with her fingers. I believe the fingers would have broken in an effort to straighten them out!
Back in 1974, while I was still in the Seminary, we had an archaeological trip to Rome, where we visited the catacombs. In one of them I remember seeing a marble statue of St Cecilia, with folded eyes and one of her hands outstretched with three fingers, symbolizing the Holy Trinity. That was her burial place. Cecilia is one of the few martyrs whose name we know, along with St. Agnes, St. Agatha, St. Sebastian, St. George, and St. Lucy, among others. She was martyred by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius between the years 176 and 180 AD. Cecilia was arrested and condemned to be suffocated in the baths. She was shut in for one night and one day, as fires were heaped up and stoked to a terrifying heat - but Cecilia did not even sweat. When the Emperor heard this, he sent an executioner to cut off her head in the baths. The executioner struck her three times but was unable to decapitate her so he left her bleeding and she lived for three days. Crowds came to her and collected her blood while she preached to them or prayed. On the third day she died and was buried by Pope Urban and his deacons. St. Cecilia is regarded as the patroness of music, because she heard heavenly music in her heart when she was married, and is represented in art with an organ or organ-pipes in her hand. Officials exhumed her body in 1599 and found her to be incorrupt, the first of all incorrupt saints. She was draped in a silk veil and wore a gold embroidered dress. Officials only looked through the veil in an act of holy reverence and made no further examinations. They also reported a "mysterious and delightful flower-like odor which proceeded from the coffin." That year, Cardinal Paolo Sfondrati built a church to honor her, and that’s when the marble statue in the catacombs was crafted. A few musical compositions were written in her honor. Among them are the ‘Ode to St. Cecilia’ by Henry Purcell, a cantata by Georg Frederic Handel and ‘Hymn to St. Cecilia’ by Benjamin Britten. Paul Simon also wrote a song in her honor, entitled ‘Cecilia.’ - Saint Cecilia
If evidence of authenticity to the contrary can be provided, I will delete this post! Good luck!