Timeline for What does it mean to say that Vatican II is pastoral rather than ecumenical?
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| Aug 17, 2023 at 22:36 | comment | added | Ken Graham♦ | @LukeHill I think your analysis would be correct | |
| Aug 17, 2023 at 19:38 | comment | added | Luke Hill | So it would not be risky to say Vatican II is definitely a different sort of council, more focused on the pastoral side of giving already stated information in a new way? | |
| Aug 17, 2023 at 19:37 | vote | accept | Luke Hill | ||
| Aug 16, 2023 at 15:46 | comment | added | ABM K | oh you and I do agree on this, no misunderstanding there I hope. I only try to tell how the turmoil after the council worked in our country. I do not believe it helped the church or the souls of the faithful a lot. But an entire generation went with it, started the second iconoclastic fury, and almost completely destroyed the church here. Do not think I am happy with that! | |
| Aug 16, 2023 at 15:39 | comment | added | Ken Graham♦ | @ABMK There are two major ways of interpreting the Council: a hermeneutic of “discontinuity and rupture” and one of “reform” in continuity with the tradition. The “Spirit of Vatican II” belonged to the former interpretation! To say that the "meaning in practice something like “the council never said this, but we wish it had, and we think it meant" is to interpret the council on a private level and absolutely be avoided. Ecclesiastical dubiums should be forwarded to Rome in order to maintain what the Church truly meant about something. Personal interpretations are this to be avoided. | |
| Aug 16, 2023 at 15:27 | comment | added | ABM K | I don’t know if this is an international thing, in my country progressive catholics have adopted the idea of “in the spirit of Vaticanum II”, meaning in practice something like “the council never said this, but we wish it had, and we think it meant to” | |
| Aug 16, 2023 at 4:06 | history | answered | Ken Graham♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |