Timeline for In light of the many changes in regulations, what is the purpose of the Roman Catholic altar and is it neccessary for a valid Mass?
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| Jan 22, 2021 at 13:59 | comment | added | Kyralessa | @MikeBorden I've never heard of that in my life. | |
| Jan 22, 2021 at 13:19 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Kyralessa Some folks, citing those very same passages, do this: gotquestions.org/grave-sucking.html | |
| Jan 22, 2021 at 9:42 | comment | added | Kyralessa | "Some believe this tradition of relic veneration began with the collection of ashes following the death of Polycarp" But others would say the power of relics is attested to in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. | |
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| Jan 21, 2021 at 13:31 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @eques Not allowable has been changed to not always common, thank you. The first mention of portable altars appears in the early 6th century and portable altar stones didn't become common until the 14th century. | |
| Jan 21, 2021 at 13:06 | comment | added | eques | @MikeBorden thus saying "portable altars were not allowable" is not correct. They were allowable and as Ken Graham mentions they were often affixed to secondary altars in churches. | |
| Jan 21, 2021 at 13:00 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @KenGraham The altar stone used in portable altars became unnecessary once Vatican II made consecration with relics no longer required. The 1983 Canon 1236 §1 says that the table of a "fixed" altar must be of stone (according to tradition) Nevertheless, another worthy and solid material can also be used in the judgment of the conference of bishops. and also ** §2. A movable altar can be constructed of any solid material suitable for liturgical use.** | |
| Jan 21, 2021 at 12:54 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @KenGraham I got that info from Peter Turner's answer here: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/80539/… | |
| Jan 21, 2021 at 12:51 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @eques What I found is that, up until Vatican II, an altar consecrated by the presence of relics was necessary according to the Nicaean law of 787. Portable altar stones and also the use of "relic consecrated" Antimensions of the Eastern Rite were allowed under special circumstances (WW2 for example) prior to Vatican II but I don't know how far back portable altars were in use. | |
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| Jan 20, 2021 at 20:52 | comment | added | Ken Graham♦ | As you say: “an altar used outside of a Catholic Church need not be of stone but of any "suitable" material.” But the altar stone which contained a relic and in turn was place into the cavity of such altars was always made of stone. This is a centuries ‘ old tradition. | |
| Jan 20, 2021 at 20:38 | history | edited | Ken Graham♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 20, 2021 at 18:46 | answer | added | Ken Graham♦ | timeline score: 3 | |
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| Jan 20, 2021 at 16:49 | comment | added | Ken Graham♦ | Interesting that you state tears are 1st class relics. Do you have a source for that statement? | |
| Jan 20, 2021 at 16:21 | comment | added | K-HB | Do you mean with "neccessary" - "neccessary for a valid Mass"? Then no. As far as I know it was never teached (in the West) that the celebration of the Eucharist without an altar is invalid, only highly illicit and forbidden. "cloth, corporal, cross, and candles" aren't necessary in this sense either. | |
| Jan 20, 2021 at 13:42 | comment | added | eques | Are you sure portable altars weren't allowed until after Vatican II? | |
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| Jan 20, 2021 at 13:27 | history | asked | Mike Borden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |