Timeline for Building in heaven or raised imperishable?
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| Jul 31, 2022 at 2:56 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @aslan, in John 3:8, Jesus described what one's reborn spirit body will be like: "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.". This is how, after his resurrection, Jesus was able to enter rooms without using the doors or windows. Once inside, he then manifested himself as a physical body in order to interact with the disciples, just as many times, angels manifested themselves as physical bodies when talking with humans. (E.g. the two angels in Genesis 18 and 19.) | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 2:46 | comment | added | aslan | @RayButterworth Regarding physical and spiritual bodies: I agree with your explanation. I see the "physical body" as the natural, mortal body before transformation or resurrection. The "spiritual body" is then the transformed, resurrected, incorruptible and/or eternal body. However, the "spiritual body" will also have a physical dimension on the new earth, like Jesus' body after His resurrection when He moved around what appears to be instantaneously, ate fish, etc. | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 2:46 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @aslan, The RIch Man and Lazarus is a parable, based on common ideas at the time (taken from Greek and Roman mythology); it doesn't define Christian doctrine. And consider what the other Lazarus (brother of Martha) had to say about what he experienced during the four days that he was dead. | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 2:34 | comment | added | aslan | @RayButterworth The wisdom books (including Ecc and Ps) often use poetic language and should in my view not be interpreted literally (at least not as a whole). From an earthly perspective a dead person (the body) knows nothing. According to Luk 16:19-31 (the rich man and Lazarus) it appears that dead people are conscious (the non-natural component). | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 0:21 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @aslan asks “where does the bible make a distinction between "physical" and "spiritual" bodies?”. In John 3:6, Jesus says:"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.". Or 1 Peter 1:23, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible". And of course 1 Corinthians 15:44,50–51 says "it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. … Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God … we shall all be changed". | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 0:20 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @aslan says "No one that has died is actually unconscious at the moment". Not according to Ecclesiastes 9:5: "but the dead know not any thing", or Psalm 146:4: "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish". | |
| Jul 31, 2022 at 0:09 | comment | added | aslan | @RayButterworth I believe the term "sleep" (1 Cor 15) is an euphemism. No one that has died is actually unconscious at the moment (see e.g. 2 Cor 5:8 ("absent from the body... present with the Lord"), Eph 4:8 (taking captivity captive), Rev 6:9 (souls under the altar), 1 Thes 4:14 (Jesus bringing the believers that died back with him)). Sleep is merely indicating that their bodies are "asleep" from a earthly perspective. Also, where does the bible make a distinction between "physical" and "spiritual" bodies? The body is the vessel of the spirit. | |
| Jul 29, 2022 at 20:11 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @kutschkem There are many. Here is one: [What Do You Mean -"Born Again"? — Living Church of God ](tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2003/january-february/…). ¶ Or see my answers to What is the Order of the Resurrection of the Dead? and Is John 3:3 a universal statement, O.T. Saints included?. | |
| Jul 29, 2022 at 11:40 | comment | added | kutschkem | Which denomination is it that refers to the resurrected bodies as spirit bodies (as opposed to physical bodies that are immortal, I assume)? | |
| Jul 29, 2022 at 2:14 | history | answered | Ray Butterworth | CC BY-SA 4.0 |