Timeline for Who [else] has made the claim that the Beloved Disciple is a new Benjamin?
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 14:08 | comment | added | qxn | @curiousdannii - The notable feature seems to be that Rachel had Benjamin in her sorrow/suffering, which is what Benoni (the name Rachel intended to give Benjamin) means. I think most agree that the sword pierced Mary's soul (Luke 2:35) as she stood at the foot of her son's cross. And, to say that Joseph honors Benjamin, "his own mother’s son" (Genesis 43:29), only for the sake of his father, seems hard to defend based on the text. | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 | history | edited | GratefulDisciple | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 1:37 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | @curiousdannii When I read the Joseph story, my impression is that he loved Benjamin more than simply for the sake of his father. He couldn't contain himself (Gen 43:29-31). Anyway, I still want to give the parallel some benefit of the doubt since some other typologies that NT authors made are too me as contrived if not more than this one. I feel that I need to do a lot more background studies to find some rationale that the NT authors probably have but are lost to us. Need to study Don Carson's Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament. | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 1:03 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | I really don't get how it can be a parallel when the nature of the relationship is totally different. And I don't get the impulse for seeing Jesus and John as Joseph and Benjamin either. Is Deut 33:12 the only verse that calls Benjamin "beloved"? And it's talking about the tribe not the individual... There is a definite type of Joseph for Jesus, being the persecuted beloved son of the father, but I'm not even sure Genesis specifically says that Joseph loved Benjamin more than his other brothers. He honours Benjamin with the best food and clothes, but that could be for the sake of their father. | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 0:58 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | @curiousdannii That's too bad. I thought it's like a 2000 year puzzle solved. Maybe it's too good to be true. At least over time we'll read other scholars responded to the book. But wouldn't you think it possible that the author of John probably attempted to frame it that way even though it's not a perfect parallel? | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 0:08 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | Benjamin's one notable feature is that his mother died giving birth to him. Any parallel to John based on John becoming an adopted son of Mary is entirely misplaced IMO. I don't think other commentaries will pick it up, except to reject it. | |
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| Jan 24, 2022 at 21:10 | history | answered | GratefulDisciple | CC BY-SA 4.0 |