Timeline for Is there any historical evidence that the early church believed in the doctrine of intercession of saints during the 1st and 2nd centuries AD?
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| Mar 6, 2021 at 9:10 | comment | added | Adam | I am with Spirit Realm Investigator on this one. God says "I am a Jealous God, he does not share his Glory with anyone else...if Jesus is our high priest and intercessor, why would he share that privilege with anyone else? If they (spirits of the saints) were not dead, why the need for a resurrection? God could simply translate the dead in Christ...we wouldnt need for the "dead in Christ shall rise first and those who alive will meet them in the air"! Are live spirits, at the second coming, going to suddenly be returned to the grave from heaven just so they can be raised again? | |
| Feb 3, 2021 at 21:46 | history | edited | Kaylee A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 3, 2021 at 4:38 | comment | added | user50422 | The first 3 examples (Hermas, Clement and Origen) are not saying that we should pray to deceased saints, at most they are saying that we should pray for one another and that angels and deceased saints can also pray to God. But notice that the prayer is always aimed at God, not each other. Moreover, Hermas is the only example before 200 A.D., all other examples are later. In the list presented, the earliest case in which there is an explicit mention of a prayer to a deceased saint is Anonymous praying to Atticus, but that's 300 A.D. | |
| Feb 3, 2021 at 1:26 | comment | added | Kaylee A | @SpiritRealmInvestigator, please read my amendment for additions in my answer. | |
| Feb 3, 2021 at 1:23 | history | edited | Kaylee A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 3, 2021 at 0:01 | comment | added | user50422 | First of all, nothing in those passages says that the prayers of the saints were uttered while the saints were deceased. Those prayers could perfectly have been prayed while the saints were still alive on earth. Secondly, would you kindly share a single scriptural example where a living prayed to a deceased saint? | |
| Feb 2, 2021 at 23:25 | history | edited | Kaylee A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 2, 2021 at 22:20 | comment | added | Kaylee A | @SpiritRealmInvestigator, just think further, if God listens to the prayer of the Saints, would you not ask their intercession? I would. It’s just like asking from a friend of a friend. So don’t narrow your investigations, just use and apply you’re analytical thing with the information you gathered. | |
| Feb 2, 2021 at 22:07 | comment | added | Kaylee A | @SpiritRealmInvestigator, I will look into it. I think I have read some passages in the bible about the prayers of the living. | |
| Feb 2, 2021 at 22:05 | comment | added | Kaylee A | @SpiritRealmInvestigator, where do you think the prayer of the Saints come from if not from the petition of the living? After all they are already in their peaceful place. Why would they bother if not from these petition who begs ? | |
| Feb 2, 2021 at 21:48 | comment | added | user50422 | At best those passages support that saints can pray to God for intercessory purposes, but in no way they support that the living can pray to the dead. In all those passages the prayers are directed at God, never at a deceased saint. | |
| Feb 2, 2021 at 20:34 | history | edited | Kaylee A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 2, 2021 at 20:20 | history | answered | Kaylee A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |