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| Feb 7, 2012 at 21:52 | comment | added | Steven | @MarcGravell: Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were arguing against the trilemma argument itself, but if I'm reading you correctly, you're taking issue with Gumbel's (or Lewis's?) solution to the problem as it's posed. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 21:31 | comment | added | Marc Gravell | @Steven I phrased it poorly, but: this is the bit that is poorly qualified: "Now it seems to me obvious that..." - the point I was trying to make with my 2 examples (at least one of, by necessity, must be incorrect - perhaps both) - people can seem very convincing (both JS and LRH have followers to whom "it seems obvious that" they are neither a lunatic nor a fiend). Since they are mutually exclusive, it is therefore a logical contradiction to assume that both JS and LRH were telling the truth. The same extends to any similar. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 20:32 | comment | added | Steven | @MarcGravell. I think the point, though, is the things that Jesus said (re: being God) are what make the trilemma a trillema to begin with. He claimed to offer people forgiveness from sins and offered himself as the true and only way to reconciliation with God, which in the process led them from other alternatives. He either believed these things --and was, therefore, either correct (i.e. God, per his claims) or crazy (i.e. mad) -- or he didn't believe the things he said -- which would have made him a poor teacher and horrible moral example (i.e. bad)... | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 19:26 | comment | added | Marc Gravell | my point was: even if we, for the sake, assume that we have (against all probability) a perfect record of the things that we're said etc - the trilemma suggests that it would not be possible to be lucid, charismatic and convincing. All I'm saying is that with the assumption of accurate recording, the trilemma does not robustly exclude all the options. A false trichotomy, if you will. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 18:44 | comment | added | Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE | @MarcGravell: they did not claim to be God. | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 18:29 | comment | added | Marc Gravell | I think interesting contrasts in the trilemma can be found in Joseph Smith, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, etc (with no particular sleight intended towards either scientologists or mormons). It is not necessary to be a raving lunatic to say convincing things that get big followings and that are tenacious, | |
| Feb 7, 2012 at 14:20 | history | answered | Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE | CC BY-SA 3.0 |