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| Apr 10, 2015 at 18:48 | comment | added | Adithia Kusno | I studied at Westminster in 2011 and have read Lillback's excellent book on the Binding of God. I think you might need to read my answer regarding what the early Christians believed. The articles you gave me misrepresent history. Prior to Huss Catholic allows 6 bibles containing sola fide. St. Bellarmine even defended the Patristic usage of it. The Greek Orthodox whose native language is Greek agree with Catholics. Trent didn't condemn sola fide per se, it condemns antinomianism. You need to check my second link in my original question. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 18:30 | comment | added | Adithia Kusno | It's true that Calvin relied on the Fathers, eg. paedobaptism, Trinity, and Christology. Without adhering to utter apostasy of the Church, Calvin did believe the Church gradually lapsed essentially. The Old Testament Israelites didn't forsake God in essential manner, remember 1 Kings 19:18. In principled manner Calvin's view regarding the gradual lapsed of the Church is not different than Mormon's Great Apostasy. Because both presupposed that the Church has lapsed essentially. This is no different than Novatians and Donatists both saw the Church had lapsed. Please read article in second link. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 2:59 | comment | added | Lucy | @Adithia Kusno: Reformators, not only Calvin, believed that the catholic church (without capital 'C') failed to preserve some aspect of the Truth. Calvin arguments on apostasy can be found here. Like Israel, many may forsake God even in the Church, but some did not. For the oral tradition to Scripture matters, there are many good and well know summaries of the history, one of them can be found here | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 0:33 | comment | added | Adithia Kusno | As a former Calvinist I can understand your reasoning that Calvin didn't believe in utter apostasy like in Mormon. But in principled manner both Mormons and Calvinists do believe that the Church inevitable at some point in time failed to preserve the faith that once was delivered unto the saints. If possible you might want to expand your answer by addressing what Calvin believed (the second link on my question) in regards to the gradual apostasy of the Church. You might need to address when the transition from oral tradition to Scripture took place in Christianity as asserted by Protestants? | |
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| Apr 7, 2015 at 8:44 | history | answered | Lucy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |