Timeline for Who witnessed the crucifixion?
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| Apr 19, 2017 at 20:52 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @DickHarfield I understand that, but governors doing things are often the case of governor ordering flunky X to do something but the attribution, years later, is the governor did that. Which is not strictly true. (Example, Mussolini didn't gas the Ethiopians in 1936, but his airforce - whom he directed - did). I understand your point from the "what text is available" basis. Given the lack of mention in the other gospels on Pilate being there, my take is we once again see the difference between Johanine Gospel and the others, style wise. Thanks for the cite. | |
| Apr 19, 2017 at 20:40 | comment | added | Dick Harfield | @KorvinStarmast The sequence is: 19:16-18 And they took Jesus, and led him away...Where they crucified him; 19-20 Pilate wrote; 21-22 Priests said write not; 23 Then the soldiers ... I suggest it would be eisegesis to read this as other than a sequence of events in the order stated, with Pilate present at the cross. | |
| Apr 18, 2017 at 13:51 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | Dick, Pilate did not need to have been present to have ordered that the sign (INRI) be on the cross. | |
| Mar 30, 2016 at 19:23 | comment | added | Paul Chernoch | This article argues that the use of literary inclusios by Luke is a clue as to whom his primary eyewitnesses (sources) were: bible.org/seriespage/10-eyewitness-testimony-luke-s-gospel The conclusion is that it was Peter and certain of the women, plus Clopas (aka Cleopas). Clopas was Jesus' uncle, and the husband of a woman who was present at the cross. | |
| Mar 21, 2015 at 0:14 | comment | added | Dick Harfield | @Mr.Bultitude Now I think I do understand you, and am trying to accommodate you. I can never prove that all conservative theologians believe there is no likelihood Luke the physician met anyone who was actually at the crucifixion, so I have changed the order of my sentence to make this a statement of logic, followed by "c theologians would agree" he was not there. Of course, any theologian who thought he did know someone at the crucifixion and able to hear Jesus words, would have to explain the statement in Luke's Gospel that those of Jesus' acquaintance watched from afar off. | |
| Mar 21, 2015 at 0:04 | history | edited | Dick Harfield | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 20, 2015 at 20:51 | comment | added | Mr. Bultitude | Not that part. This part: "there is no likelihood of him have met any eyewitness to the crucifixion." His whole claim as a historian is that he interviewed eyewitnesses, or so conservatives claim, unless I'm wrong about what the tradition has taught. That's what I wanted you to address. | |
| Mar 20, 2015 at 20:47 | comment | added | Dick Harfield | @Mr.Bultitude I did not realise that was contentious, but on your advice I have added a sentence that explains why it is unlikely that anyone, conservative or liberal would hold the view that Luke was in Jerusalem at the time of the crucifixion. | |
| Mar 20, 2015 at 20:42 | history | edited | Dick Harfield | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 20, 2015 at 18:16 | comment | added | Mr. Bultitude | @DickHarfield "Even conservative theologians agree that Luke was not present at the crucifixion and that there is no likelihood of him have met any eyewitness to the crucifixion." You may have to support that statement a bit more strongly. | |
| Mar 20, 2015 at 4:57 | comment | added | Dick Harfield | @servantofWiser I can confirm that these are the only lines in the Bible that refer to identifiable witnesses (apart from the crowds and so on) to the crucifixion. | |
| Mar 20, 2015 at 4:25 | comment | added | servantofWiser | This is 99% of the format what I was looking for. Satisfactory enough. So, you mean to say, that what ever you've written above were the only lines pertaining to people who exactly witnessed crucifixion? Can I get a final confirmation? | |
| Mar 19, 2015 at 23:07 | history | answered | Dick Harfield | CC BY-SA 3.0 |