Timeline for How does Proverbs 2:21-22 not disprove "once saved, always saved"?
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| May 16, 2015 at 18:04 | comment | added | Andrew | @fredsbend are you not willing to acknowledge that the land of inheritance is a type foreshadowing the inheritence of the saints, that is, Messiah? I think it's pretty clear. I think that such a reading of this verse is very fair. | |
| Sep 13, 2013 at 12:46 | vote | accept | Ovi | ||
| Aug 23, 2013 at 18:43 | comment | added | user3961 | @BenDunlap I have opened up this room: Do the Proverbs teach doctrine? | |
| Aug 23, 2013 at 3:15 | comment | added | Ben Dunlap | @fredsbend Interesting. Maybe this needs to go to chat -- but just to go back briefly to the concrete context here: When I hear "the land" in an Old Testament verse I find it nearly impossible to limit my thinking to the physical land of Israel. Obviously the physical Promised Land is the starting point, and any other sense has to be grounded in that literal sense, but stopping at the literal sense just doesn't fit in any way with my thinking about the Old Testament. I guess maybe I am wondering why one would want to stop there, or perhaps what more fundamental principles govern that choice? | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 21:07 | comment | added | user3961 | So what we are left with is me saying, basically, that Wisdom is acquired though Spiritualism, but the Proverbs do not talk about that. They seem to be more of a definition of Wisdom; a rubric to identify it. They don't really teach any doctrine. I find that confusion on terms is common between me and Catholics. | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 21:05 | comment | added | user3961 | @BenDunlap Perhaps there is a confusion on how we each define "spiritual". I would say that Wisdom, by nature, is spiritual. You cannot live a Godly life without God conferring Wisdom on you. I would not say, however, that spiritualism, by nature, confers Wisdom. There are other aspects of spiritualism that do not include Wisdom, faith being one. You seem to use the term differently enough that it seems to me that you would say Wisdom and spiritualism are nearly the same thing, or that one necessitates the other. | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 20:52 | comment | added | Ben Dunlap | @fredsbend Is your claim about Proverbs fairly standard? It doesn't sit right with me as a Catholic, and even a casual perusal of patristic commentary indicates that there is a long Christian tradition of reading Proverbs spiritually. I am just wondering if/when the opposite approach became standard. | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 20:18 | comment | added | user3961 | Right, the verses, and all of Proverbs in fact, are wisdom for this life. There is little in the Proverbs about the next one. | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 16:21 | comment | added | Ben Dunlap | Are you saying that "the land" is just not a type, or that it's not being used as a type in this verse? | |
| Aug 22, 2013 at 14:49 | history | answered | Narnian | CC BY-SA 3.0 |