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Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7-grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's great-grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

Does … provide any Basis for the Solution to Racism (Antisemitism)?

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990sNo, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible numberthere is nothing humans can do about it.

Racism isn't a problem, it is a symptom of civiliansa problem. Race is simply a convenient rationalization for hatred. People have an inherent need to hate, despite the two "races" actuallyand some people know how to exploit that need for their own purposes (Hitler being the most well known example in recent history).

  • Problems in the USA are based usually based on race, but lately "gender" has become the underlying justification.
  • In Ireland, the "troubles" were based on religion, not race.
  • In Québec, there were issues based on language.
  • During 3 months in 1994, the Rwandan Genocide claimed nearly a million lives in a civil war that was based on an artificial division of the population into two arbitrary "races" assigned by the Belgian government.
  • Yugoslavia was kept peaceful for decades by a strong dictator. But after Tito, the nation broke up into small warring countries, each one having saved up its hatred for the others for several generations.

Gulliver's Travels was a satire on this same identicaltheme. The two groups of people, assigned arbitrary labels hated each other because they disagreed about which end of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" onlyan egg is the top. It's totally ridiculous, but not really any more so than using language, religion, race, etc. as a few decades before byjustification for hatred.

Rational arguments might occasionally work on individuals, but there's no way any of us are going to convince the Belgiansworld in general that it shouldn't hate.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7-grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's great-grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990s, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible number of civilians, despite the two "races" actually being the same identical people, assigned arbitrary labels of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" only a few decades before by the Belgians.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7-grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's great-grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

Does … provide any Basis for the Solution to Racism (Antisemitism)?

No, there is nothing humans can do about it.

Racism isn't a problem, it is a symptom of a problem. Race is simply a convenient rationalization for hatred. People have an inherent need to hate, and some people know how to exploit that need for their own purposes (Hitler being the most well known example in recent history).

  • Problems in the USA are based usually based on race, but lately "gender" has become the underlying justification.
  • In Ireland, the "troubles" were based on religion, not race.
  • In Québec, there were issues based on language.
  • During 3 months in 1994, the Rwandan Genocide claimed nearly a million lives in a civil war that was based on an artificial division of the population into two arbitrary "races" assigned by the Belgian government.
  • Yugoslavia was kept peaceful for decades by a strong dictator. But after Tito, the nation broke up into small warring countries, each one having saved up its hatred for the others for several generations.

Gulliver's Travels was a satire on this same theme. The two groups of people hated each other because they disagreed about which end of an egg is the top. It's totally ridiculous, but not really any more so than using language, religion, race, etc. as a justification for hatred.

Rational arguments might occasionally work on individuals, but there's no way any of us are going to convince the world in general that it shouldn't hate.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

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Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7 grandson-grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's grandsongreat-grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990s, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible number of civilians, despite the two "races" actually being the same identical people, assigned arbitrary labels of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" only a few decades before by the Belgians.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7 grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990s, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible number of civilians, despite the two "races" actually being the same identical people, assigned arbitrary labels of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" only a few decades before by the Belgians.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7-grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's great-grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990s, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible number of civilians, despite the two "races" actually being the same identical people, assigned arbitrary labels of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" only a few decades before by the Belgians.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.

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Abraham was a Gentile before He was a Jew!

The basic premise here is totally wrong; Abraham was never Jewish.

  • Abraham was Semitic (the great7 grandson of Shem).
  • Abraham was the father of Ishmael (ancestor of Arabs).
  • Abraham was the father of Isaac, who was the father of Esau (ancestor of Edomites, Turks, et al.) and Jacob (AKA Israel).
  • None of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Esau, Israel, nor 11 of Israel's sons were Jewish.
  • Abraham's grandson, Judah, was the ancestor of the Jews.

Since Abraham is of Gentile stock … would this not be sufficient reason … be a basis to resolve the messy situation of Racism in the minds---and hearts---of people around the world?

No.
(Have you had any personal success convincing the world not to hate (using any reason/basis at all)?)

How would you apply any of this to the massive racism in Rwanda in the 1990s, when civil war between the two races killed an incredible number of civilians, despite the two "races" actually being the same identical people, assigned arbitrary labels of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" only a few decades before by the Belgians.

All Gentiles (ethnics), Abraham and everyone else, are the same flesh and blood people … .

True, but it's a non-issue.
There is no reason to think the Bible says anything different.