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What Was God’s Role in the Fall? [closed]

What was God’s role in the Fall (if He had one)? I’m learning about the Calvinist (or perhaps hyper-Calvinist) view of Pre-determinism, and respectfully, it causes me great concern. Perhaps I’m ...
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In Mormonism, how is the doctrine of Adam & Eve inability to have children prior to the Fall explained?

Inspired by this answer to a previous question, in which the answerer stated: "For example, the Book of Mormon adds the belief that Adam and Eve could not have children before the Fall." ...
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Concept of attractiveness

I want to ask why would God create such concept as attractiveness if He does not look at someone’s looks? 1 Samuel 16:7 ”for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” ...
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According to Augustine, what's the difference between regenerate life and that before the fall?

In Augustine's four stages of the Christian life, is the Reborn Man in the same state as the Pre-Fall Man? In which state was Christ the man while on earth? [Editor's note: OP refers to the 4 stages ...
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Did The Creator intend at first for Adam and Eve to have children?

We know that Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel and their 600 (I forgot the exact number) after Heaven was taken from them for consuming the fruit. But if hypothetically, if they hadn't sinned, would they ...
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Ignorance of Adam and Eve

Was the sin of Adam and Eve caused by partial ignorance? Before the fall they were ignorant about the shame of nakedness.
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According to Christian ethical views other than Divine Command Theory, what exactly made Adam and Eve's eating the forbidden fruit evil?

For scoping purposes, let's assume that Divine Command Theory is false. This means that explanations of the form "X is evil because God said so" would be out of scope. Having clarified that, ...
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According to LDS, if the Fall was a positive thing why would God condemn sin in the flesh?

This answer to a question asking about the relationship between LDS and Catholicism contains the following as one of 3 main doctrinal differences between Mormonism and Catholicism: belief that the ...
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According to LDS what is the Biblical basis for commending Adam's disobedience in the Garden of Eden?

Joseph Fielding Smith wrote ( https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1998/01/in-the-beginning-a-latter-day-perspective?lang=eng): In contrast to most readers of the Bible, we believe that Adam and Eve both ...
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Death of animals before the fall - what did the early church fathers believe?

I recall somewhere in Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology he mentions that it is possible that animals died before the fall (I don't recall the exact page or quote but it's not directly relevant to my ...
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Adam and Eve Clothed in Light Before the Fall - Origin of this belief?

I've stumbled multiple times across the claim that Adam and Eve were clothed in light before the fall, and afterward they saw their nakedess not merely as a new form of enlightenment ("Suddenly I feel ...
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How do theistic evolutionists view the Fall of Man?

I haven't really decided what to think about the creation of the world. I'm very familiar with the concept of evolution, scientifically, and if I didn't believe in God I'd certainly believe in ...
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Are there any theories or traditions for dating how long after creation the Fall of Man occurred?

Apologies if this question is too speculative. The Bible does not explicitly state how long after Creation the Fall occurred. It can be argued to have occurred before the birth of Seth at the very ...
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How many, if any, denominations hold that Adam and Eve were perfect before the fall?

This question asks how Adam and Eve could choose to sin if they were perfect, and in a personal conversation recently someone stated "They were a little bit depraved. Even 'very good' is not ...
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Is the emotion of sexual passion a result of the fallen state? (Catholic perspective)

I found very good information on this site where the author logically and according to the Catholic teaching explains certain parts of sexual behavior. I agree and practice what is written, just in ...
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What did Satan get out of deceiving Eve and Adam into sinning?

The devil deceived Eve into eating what was forbidden. She then persuaded Adam to do likewise. After eating, they gained knowledge of good and evil. It is my view that God's true intentions, his ...
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Is choosing to commit sin a possibility in Heaven?

According to the Bible 'sin' by definition is anything that is against God! Which is why God cannot commit sin [Hebrews 6:18; Titus 1:2], not that He doesn't choose to commit sin. This is because God ...
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Are there any Christian scholarly publications on the differences between the nature of humans pre-fall and post-resurrection?

What was the nature of humans (i.e., Adam and Eve) like before the fall? What will the nature of humans be like after the resurrection (when those who are saved receive glorified bodies)? Are there ...
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According to Young Earth Creationism, how did carnivores come into existence?

According to Young Earth Creationism, were all animals vegetarian/vegan before the fall? If so, how did carnivores come into existence? Did carnivores evolve from vegetarian ancestors? Were carnivores ...
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How do Christians who reject pre-fall death reconcile their views with the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event (66 million years ago)?

Many Christians believe that creation was cursed because of Adam & Eve's fall into sin, and that death entered creation because of the fall but not before. In other words, the idea of pre-fall ...
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What are some sources of March, 25th being the date of the creation of the world, or of the creation of Adam and Eve, or of their disobedience?

As per title, I read -- in a very uninformed way -- of these traditions, among many others, in regards to March, 25th: A) it would be the date of the creation of the world B) it would be the ...
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From a Protestant perspective, do we really have free will if sin nature is passed on from Adam and Eve to us?

If we are born with a sinful nature from Adam, does that really mean we have free will, since the sin nature makes us more likely to choose to sin?
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According to Calvinists, how could Adam and Eve fall? How could Satan fall?

Under Calvinism, men under grace are guaranteed to choose God and be saved. If God's holy influence is so convincing, that it is impossible for free thinking creations to choose against it, why did ...
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What is the biblical basis for the belief that man is no longer made in God's image?

According to an Adrian Rodgers radio broadcast man is no longer born in God's image due to the Fall. What is the biblical support for this assertion? The broadcasts are archived here; the one I heard ...
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Is there any Christian teaching as to where Adam and Eve were sent after their fall from the Garden of Eden?

In Islamic teachings, it is said that, after the fall from the Garden of Eden, Adam found himself on Mount Safa and Eve on Mount Marwa. (Of course, these locations are near enough so they found each ...
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If Adam and Eve have not sin, would there be any population on earth? [closed]

In the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were innocent until they both ate the fruit of knowledge and evil and the curtain of their innocence were exposed and realised that they were naked. Having said ...
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What is an overview of Christian viewpoints on why God sanctioned eating meat after the fall if veganism was already the pre-fall standard?

Genesis tells us that Adam, Eve and all animals had originally plant-based diets, as God provided them with every plant and tree for food: 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant ...
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Is the wages of sin our natural death? [closed]

Does anyone else believe that our natural deaths are not the punishment for sin? Id always thought it odd that if our natural deaths were the punishment for sin, then why would God raise everyone for ...
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If God know everything prior to its happen then was God unable to know that Adam and Eve will sin? If He knew then why did He kept that there? [duplicate]

God knows everything. He must have known that Adam and Eve will sin. So why did He knowing that they will sin made that situation to happen?
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From a Calvinist perspective, if Adam refused the fruit what would happen to their descendants?

And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat. Genesis 3:6 What ...
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What Christian groups believe sex was the original sin, and not disobedience?

There is a story in the Bible that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and thus sinned against God. But other religions, including some Christians, describe that they were having intercourse and that's why God ...
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Why did God banish Adam and Eve for eating fruit? [closed]

Yes, He told them not to but if you can humour me a little, why should this punishment be regarded as fitting the crime? It’s just fruit, right? Isn’t God testing our patience with such an injunction? ...
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Why does childbirth still hurt? [closed]

I am wondering the following: In Genesis, 3.16, it is quite clear that God multiplies the pain of childbirth, in order to punish Eve (and all women) for eating the forbidden fruit. So, yes, this ...
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Eating a specific fruit that God didn't permit was an act of disobedience, agreed, but?

I understand that eating a specific fruit an apple in Heaven that God disordained eating was an act of disobedience... true agreed. But what I do not understand is that since Adam and Eve were both in ...
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Why did God make it a sin to eat an apple?

Eating a fruit* is not even a real wicked deed like killing somebody or something. Why did this whole sin thing get started with something so innocuous that by today's standard it wouldn't even be ...
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What is the Catholic understanding of the first sin committed by Adam and Eve?

I always used to consider the first sin committed by Adam and Eve as eating the forbidden fruit from a particular tree. But recently my husband commented that Adam and Eve had sex with each other ...
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Does the Bible ever describe the Fall in ways different than Genesis 3?

In his book In the Beginning, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger wrote the following with regards to the pre-Pauline hymn of Phil 2:5-11: We cannot consider this extraordinarily rich and profound text [Phil ...
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How does Human Nature relate to Angelic Nature, specifically regarding sin and free-will? [closed]

I have seen quite a few questions on here asking: How could Lucifer, being a perfect creation, have fallen or sinned? However, my question is this: What can we find in the Scriptures about the ...
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Any radical transformation in case of incarnation without fall?

There are some reasons considered by the Catholic Church to assume the Incarnation even without the Fall. Simply speaking, Jesus would come even if Adam and Eve would not have eaten the apple. There ...
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According to LDS teaching could Adam and Eve have children before the fall?

2 Nephi 2:23 states And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. ...
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In Catholic teaching, what specific actual sinful act did Adam and Eve commit, and what level of authority can be applied to this teaching?

What I am asking What does Roman Catholic theology hold to be the nature of the original sin? If we consider the Tree of Knowledge, its fruit, and Adam and Eve partaking of it as all being metaphors,...
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Original Sin as described in The Poem of the Man-God

How do the teachings of the Catholic Church regarding the nature of Original Sin conflict with the (alleged) private revelations of Maria Valtorta, as documented in her book The Poem of the Man-God? ...
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According to reformed theology, how does the fall glorify God?

What this question is not about: This question is NOT about: Is God omniscient (all knowing?), omnipotent (all powerful?) and benevolent? Then if God foresaw the first sin, and had the power to stop ...
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The fall was part of God's plan?

@JBH pointed out in the comments within *Could* Adam and Eve have children before the fall? that on the latter day saints website it states that The fall is an integral part of Heavenly Father's ...
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Was Cain a descendant of the serpent, through Eve?

In an article by Ben Heath titled Sex Affair in the Garden of Eden, he claims that the sin for which God expelled Adam and Eve from the garden was sexual intercourse with the serpent. Heath goes on ...
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Were we to remain in the Garden of Paradise forever if Adam had not sinned?

I read this statement from the Catholic resource. Q. 255 A. We were not to remain in the Garden of Paradise forever even if Adam had not sinned, but after passing through the years of our probation ...
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Do any theologians argue that in the Fall, Adam sacrificed himself out of love for Eve?

I've heard a few Christians say, perhaps half-jokingly, that Adam only ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden because he realized that it was the only way for him to stay with Eve. By this ...
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Why did so many early church fathers say that sex was a consequence of the Fall?

According to an Orthodox that replies to someone else in an exchange regarding marital sex, he states "remember the words of Psalm 50" (Psalm 51 in Masoretic-based Bibles): I was conceived in ...
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Where does Augustine say that Adam and Eve were in Eden for just six hours before sinning?

In Calvin's Commentary on Genesis, he spends some time dealing with the question of how long Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden together before they sinned. He writes: The opinion has been ...
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How do Mormons view events like the Holocaust considering that they view Adam's fall as a move forward?

In Christianity in general, a common view of Adam's transgression has been that it was something bad that resulted not just in a loss of something good. Among the consequences of Adam's ...