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Luke 17:32, 33

32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Do these two verses contradict with the idea of being taken out seven years before Jesus' second coming?

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  • @RHPclass79 - Do you mean rapture in your second paragraph? Dec 29, 2023 at 20:17
  • @Vincent Wong l guess I am confused by your question. Given the original question and subsequent clarification in the body, how would you interpret differently. Please explain.
    – RHPclass79
    Dec 29, 2023 at 20:26
  • @RHPclass79- I am not clear about the phrase 'being taken out seven years before Jesus' second coming'. Where is the origin of this script? Dec 29, 2023 at 20:33
  • @ Vincent Wong. Thank you for responding back Vincent. In the denomination of Church I go to the pretrib point of view involves the Church being raptured 7 years before the 2nd coming. There are other opinions on that . The basis for that 7 years comes from the Daniel Ch.9:24-27 verses.
    – RHPclass79
    Dec 29, 2023 at 20:53
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    The so called "Rapture" is a contentious subject and best left alone for it is just going to result in opinion based answers. The same goes for the "70th Week" of Daniel, and I should know as I have brought same up a number of times. As for Luke 17:32&33, I would have thought that that, itself, is easy enough to understand. If one is still around and showing true faith at the time of the "2nd Coming", then there should be no need to seek preservation of one's life. Live or die, the ultimate result will be life eternal, in either heaven or on earth, both of which will be made anew.
    – Olde English
    Dec 30, 2023 at 0:34

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No, they do not. The verses in question pertain to Israel, not the church, the body of Christ. The body of Christ "mystery" was still not yet revealed at the time of the Luke verses.

There is no doubt that the church, the body of Christ, will experience the 'catching away' that Paul references below:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

The verses cited in Luke were written directly to and for Israel, not the church, the body of Christ (us today). There is nothing in scripture (prior to Paul) stating that a group would ever be caught up in heaven upon Christ's second coming. He will return to earth to establish Israel's long-awaited and promised earthly kingdom of heaven after the church, the body of Christ has been "caught up" with Him for eternity. Notice below that the coming wrath of God will not be poured out on the church, the body of Christ (verses 4 and 9 in particular):

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

"But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

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  • @ Mark Vestal where did you conclude from this scripture in Luke, that the Church would go through God's wrath? I agree with 1Th. Ch.5 that the Church does not experience God's wrath ( orge ). Your quoted verses are classic verses used by pre- trib advocates. They confuse God's wrath ( orge or thumos) with tribulation ( thlipsis). The Olivet prophecy is not addressed to just Israel as you suggest. It is addressed to the disciples, which are the beginning of the church. Jesus first offered his Good News to his fellow Jews, then to Gentiles via Peter and Paul. Mt. 24, Mr. 13. TBC
    – RHPclass79
    Feb 10 at 6:42
  • Mt. 24 and Mk. 13 are clear on the gathering of the Saints after the tribulation. Luke 21 is also Olivet prophecy but is constructed differently. Regardless of all this you might address the answer more specifically on the Luke 17: 32&33 verses given.
    – RHPclass79
    Feb 10 at 6:59
  • @RHPclass79 Peter's church of believing Jews is not the same church as Paul's church, the body of Christ. Paul's church is "caught up in the clouds". Peter's believing remnant is "taken"...as in taken to safety (like Noah), "as in the days of Noah". There is no mention of being "taken to heaven" in Matt, Mark, Luke, John, or Acts (unlike Paul's church, the body of Christ, in 1 Thess). Regarding the gospel, what was the good news of the twelve as given by Christ on earth and who was this good news directed to? It was that Israel's long awaited earthly kingdom of heaven was finally at hand. Feb 10 at 13:50
  • @RHPclass79 What was Paul's good news that Christ ascended gave to him to NOW bring to the world? That our sins have been forgiven through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, and that we are NOW offered the free unmerited gift of salvation by faith in what Christ completed for us at the cross. (cont...) Feb 10 at 13:53
  • @RHPclass79 1 Cor 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" Feb 10 at 13:54

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