Gabriel told Mary that her son would someday sit on the Throne of David, which of course, did not exist at that time. Christ now sits on His Father's Throne. When will Jesus sit on David's Throne? Does this assume a literal millennial reign on earth?
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2@RayButterworth To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:1.– Nigel JJul 29 at 4:02
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@NigelJ. Revelation 3:31 is referring to the heavenly throne from which God rules the universe. David's throne refers to the earthly throne, from which a descendant of Judah and David will rule the Earth during the Millennium. "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. … The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (Genesis 49:1,10)– Ray ButterworthJul 29 at 12:56
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3@RayButterworth I disagree that Jesus Christ will ever return to this, present earth. The resurrected rise to meet him 'in the air' and then new heavens and new earth are created afresh whilst the old universe becomes a conflagration (a plasma) as the 'stars fall to the earth' (the conflation of the entirety of space) and as the 'elements melt with fervent heat'. I disagree with the literalisation of the clearly symbolic '1,000 years' which denotes the whole of the Church Age, from ascension to return. But I shall not argue and I leave the matter there . . . . . .– Nigel JJul 29 at 13:24
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3My kingdom is not of this world.– Mike BordenJul 30 at 11:25
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30 The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” (Luke 1:30-33)
As the OP mentioned, David's kingdom had already ended long before the coming of Jesus despite prophecies to the contrary. For example Jeremiah 33:17
Thus says the Lord, ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel.'
David's throne was important because it represented Israel's sovereignty. It also symbolized the authority of the Messiah, also called "Son of David." Christians generally do no accept the idea that Jesus was meant to fulfill the prophecies of the Jewish Messiah, namely to overturn Roman rule and restore Israel's sovereignty. In fact he was crucified for supposedly attempting to do exactly that. Most Christians therefore see such prophecies as relating to the second coming.
Prophecies about David's Throne never referred to a physical throne but to the authority of the Davidic dynasty, which lasted until the time of the Babylonian exile. Commentators have widely varying ideas about how these predictions will be fulfilled. So the prophecy mentioned in the OP need not be understood in terms of a literal millennial reign on earth. But many Christians certainly believe that to be the case.
As Dan Fefferman has pointed out in his answer, the angel informed Mary that she would be with child and would give birth to a son to be named Jesus.
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; his kingdom will never end. (Luke 1:30-33)
That angelic prophecy goes back to the time of King David who wrote:
Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; (Psalm 45:6)
Does the Bible say that Christ Jesus will return to Jerusalem to sit on a literal throne of David in Jerusalem where priests will serve in a rebuilt temple offering up animal sacrifices? Because that is what some Christians believe.
Dispensational premillennialism says that the end times will be characterized by the rapture of the church, the tribulation, the restoration of Israel to a place of pre-eminence, and the millennial kingdom. One advocate was Dr. Charles C. Ryrie (1925–2016) whose theology was based on a literal understanding of the Bible. He influenced men like Dr. Charles Swindoll (born 1934). However, the idea of premillennialism and a literal return of Christ to earth predates both those men. The idea first came about in the 1830’s with J. Nelson Darby (Plymouth Brethren) and Philip Schofield who proposed a secret rapture of the church (believers) followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ in Israel. The raptured church is suspended above it in heaven for the entirety of this period.
But WHY would the risen, resurrected and glorified Christ need to be physically present to rule from Jerusalem for 1,000 years? He already accomplished his mission 2,000 years ago when he cried out “It is finished!” (John20:30) and then gave up his life. He sits on the throne in heaven with no need to lower himself to sit upon a throne in Jerusalem or in a temple made with human hands.
The Bible tells us that when Christ Jesus returns the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man will hide in fear:
They called to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?’ (Revelation 6:15-17)
Yes, some Christians believe Jesus will return bodily to sit on a literal throne for 1,000 years. But Christ Jesus says otherwise. His kingdom is from another place:
>My kingdom is not of this world. (John 18:36)
Well, you have to understand the archetypal significance of thrones. They are symbols of ordered authority emerging out of chaos. The ideal king integrates the forces of chaos and order within himself, and then constructively channels that ability outward. He becomes sovereign over his domain.
So when the Bible speaks of Christ taking his rightful throne, this signifies the establishment of a righteous kingdom governed by divine wisdom. Order, truth and justice rule, not arbitrary power or tyranny.
But it's not primarily about literal kingdoms in the future. That's only part of it. It's more about the individual. You see, each of us must become the master of our own internal kingdom. We have to integrate the chaos within ourselves into higher order. To truly grow up, not just in body but in mind.
Sitting on the throne means to take responsibility. To become King over your own life. Governor of the domain that is you. So Jesus shows the way. He is the archetypal hero. His throne represents the sovereignty of individual maturity, responsibility and virtue.
That's the true meaning. Whether there will also be some literal global kingdom in the future, who knows. But what matters is your own inner throne. That's yours to take, or ignore at your peril. So the question is, will you become king of your own dominion? The alternative is to live chaotically, immaturely, unintegrated. And that's no good for you or for anyone else.
So pursue your throne. That's the symbolic charge of Christ. And it applies regardless of what may happen literally in the future.
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3How does this notion of taking the throne of your own life square with the Apostle Paul when, in Galatians 2:20, he says, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me". Jul 30 at 11:25
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@Mike Borden The metaphor of 'taking the throne of your own life' represents the liberation of the mind from unquestioning subservience to ancient traditions and texts. Ethics should be based on our shared humanity, not the dictates of a holy book written millennia ago. What matters is how we treat each other in the here and now, not abiding by the codes of long dead prophets and apostles– user22071Jul 30 at 12:47
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Well, If the kingdom of heaven is within each one of us and Christ is the rightful heir to the throne of that kingdom then pursuing that throne for myself smacks of rebellion ... which was the original problem. At least according to a certain millennia old holy book :) Jul 31 at 12:29
Those that believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, in particular that Jesus and the resurrected saints will rule and teach humanity here on Earth during the Millennium, do indeed believe that Jesus will sit on David's throne.
Some believe that David's throne (i.e. his royal descendants) was preserved by Jeremiah through the daughters of the last king.
See my answers to:
- Is there any historical evidence that would indicate where exactly the ark of the covenant is now located?
- Is the USA mentioned in the Bible?
Briefly, when the last king of David's line was killed, Jeremiah took the king's daughters through Egypt and Spain to Ireland, where they continued David's line as Irish royalty. Later the throne was moved to Scotland, and eventually to England.
Part of one of those answers:
Charles III was crowned while sitting above the Coronation Stone (Lia Fail, Stone of Destiny, Stone of Scone) as were all his ancestors for thousands of years dating back through Scottish monarchs, and Irish before that. Legend says that this Stone is "Jacob's Pillow" (Genesis 28:11). Whether it is that actual stone is irrelevant; what's important is that the story is connected with it.
Some Scottish legends surrounding the Stone of Scone, traditionally used for coronations of Scottish kings in the High Middle Ages, have identified this stone with the Stone of Jacob. Supposedly the Stone of Jacob was brought to Ireland by the prophet Jeremiah and thence to Scotland. The 17th-century writer John Speed, describing the coronation of James I, calls the stone at Westminster Abbey by the Latin name, saxum Jacobi.
— Stone of Jacob - WikipediaJeremiah not only brought the Stone, he brought the royal line of David and the Ark of the Covenant with him to Ireland.
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1This fantastic story is quickly dismissed by archaeologists because the bedrock of the Holy Land is made of limestone. The Stone of Destiny is made of sandstone and was probably quarried somewhere in Scotland. Furthermore, the Scottish claims have nothing to do with Jacob, Jerusalem, Jesus or Christianity. P.S. I'm Scottish. harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a43786141/…– LesleyJul 30 at 9:01
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@Lesley, as I said, "Whether it is that actual stone is irrelevant; what's important is that the story is connected with it.". Queen Victoria believed in this descent, and royal males are circumcised by a Jewish mohel. Irish DNA originated in Middle East and eastern Europe — The Guardian says: "There was a great wave of genome change that swept into Europe from above the Black Sea into Bronze Age Europe". The Black Sea area is where the "lost" tribes were last seen. Jul 30 at 13:02
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1Ray, I may be a bit slow on the uptake, but I don't see how this legend and the fantastic stories behind it have anything to do with a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus in Jerusalem on a literal throne. By the way, I may not agree with what you've posted, but I didn't down-vote it. :-)– LesleyJul 30 at 13:32
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@Lesley, most legends have some original truth as their origin (Traditionally Scots don't eat eels or pork; is that because their ancient ancestors kept kosher?). My point was that God promised that David's throne would last until the Messiah returns to take it, and that this is one explanation for how that throne has been preserved. It's not simply a small denominational belief, many people from many walks of life believe it in one form or other. The British Israelites are big supporters, but with racist motives. Similarly many Danes believe they are from the tribe of Dan. Jul 30 at 20:32
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@Lesley, "a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus in Jerusalem on a literal throne". If one believes Revelation literally, then the Millennium will be on Earth, with Christ ruling for a thousand years. He will assume the throne passed down to him from David, and preserved by Jeremiah through the Irish, Scots, and English. (The British throne is Scottish, not English, through James I (or VI ind Scotland).) ¶ "I may not agree with what you've posted, but …", My postings normally get a few uncommented downvotes. And I've even up-voted more than a few good posting that I disagree with. Jul 30 at 20:41