A few years ago I met a few Mormon missionaries plying their mission in deepest, darkest UK.

I went along to a few of their meetings. In one of them, a senior 'cleric' - I say cleric, because they all dressed like conservative republican business-men - said to the 'congregation' - that he had an audience with senior clerics of the Vatican where questioned on devotion to Christ. He replied, "we follow Christ"!

Apparently, there was complete silence afterwards. Whether this was the silence of disbelief or a meditative silence, I don't know - I wasn't there.

I stopped going as they tried to 'trick' me into conversion, even though I had said I had no interest in converting, but merely wanted to discuss theology with them. Once a missionary, always a missionary I suppose. Plus, I was dismayed by a theology that indigeonised Christianity to the Americas as though white Europeans were indigenous to the Americas.

Anyway, I want to ask what is the relationship between the Mormon Church and the Vatican?

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    Posts belong to the community and can be edited by anyone if they respect the intention of the original author. Fixing typos and tags is of course always good to do. Tightening a question by removing unnecessary personal details is helpful too. Your fourth paragraph is borderline offensive so it would really be best to remove it. I will roll back this post as it really is nonsensical to leave all your typos there. You can edit it to add more details if you think they are essential to the question. And also, don't write all-bold comments. That looks like shouting and is rude.
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    Sep 22 at 5:02
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    @MoziburUllah I enjoy hearing personal narratives (including your experience) and yes, they are very important in religious life in any religions. I share my own narratives in SE chatrooms where they belong. So I agree with curiousdannii here and with his edit to make the question more focused (although as a potential answerer I'm still not clear on what you are seeking). Yes, the removed content is short but it doesn't contribute to the clarity of the question which is the standard for all SE sites, not just C.SE. Sep 22 at 5:29
  • @GratefulDisciple: The question is the final paragraph and the rest is the lead up to it. I have seen much, much worse posts than this that are current on SE. Some that go on for pages without many changes of font and which seem to pass without comment. Anyway, I take your concerns on board. Sep 22 at 5:32
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    @MoziburUllah Yes, I got the question right away, but still not clear: what kind of relationship? Those 2 religions is like two countries having economic, military, diplomatic, travel, academic, historical, you name it. And you also didn't link your narrative to the question either. Sep 22 at 5:36
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    @MoziburUllah With your comment, the question is more clear. Please incorporate that (i.e. comparison between Catholic vs. LDS understanding of the nature of Christ & following Christ) explicitly into the question, as comments's primary function is to help question writer and answer writer make their posts better. I recommend to remove irrelevant stuff too; for example, how does "plying their mission in deepest, darkest UK" help add clarity to your Q other than what led you to go to some of their meetings (2nd paragraph)? Don't complain if readers see it as a rant which has no place in C.SE. Sep 22 at 7:55

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While there are doctrinal differences the relationship between the two religions is good (though this hasn't been a constant).

In 2019 before the Rome, Italy temple was dedicated President Nelson met with Pope Francis and said:

The differences in doctrine are real,“ he added. “They are important. But they are not nearly as important as things we have in common—our concern for human suffering, our desire for and the importance of religious liberty for all of society, and the importance of building bridges of friendship instead of building walls of segregation. ...

We both shared the feelings of the importance of freedom of religion and the stability that faith in God brings to a society,” said President Nelson. “If we have a godless society, we have a rudderless ship. ...

The Church has worked “side by side” with Catholic Relief Service in 43 countries, said President Ballard. “We have been shoulder-to-shoulder as partners in trying to relieve suffering.1

Three largest(?) doctrinal differences are

  1. premortal existence
  2. belief that the fall of humanity in Eden was a positive event because it made mortal life possible (as opposed to the Catholic and Protestant view that humanity is tainted with original sin that requires Christ’s redemption), and, arguably most important in the broad comparison
  3. the loss of apostolic authority after the death of the first Apostles, which resulted in the Great Apostasy and required the restoration of ecclesiastical authority through Joseph Smith as prophet2

1 President Nelson Meets with Pope Francis at the Vatican(LDS) and Pope Meets Top Leaders of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints(Catholic)

Vatican issued no statement on the meeting with the pope

2 Catholic Mormon Relations

  • Is there a Vatican readout / press release about the meeting? It would be nice to include in your answer. Sep 22 at 11:08
  • @GratefulDisciple not that I could find, found a washington post article
    – depperm
    Sep 22 at 11:08
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    Thanks. I also found one news article, though not official, from a Canadian Catholic newspaper: The Catholic Register. Great to see the cordial meeting between the highest leaders of the two churches! 2 days ago
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    The 2012 BYU journal article you mentioned (Catholic-Mormon relations) is a good one (a keeper for my notes) by a scholar in American Religion, proper non-partisan academic venue (religious studies), third party and objective in tone, with an eye for the common fight against laxing morality in America. yesterday

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