Noted is a persistent use of select bible verses using a proof-texting methodology defined by one or more of three broad practices -
- Taken out of context, ignoring the immediate passage.
- Using clearly biased translations.
- Using one verse alone when the overwhelming majority expresses the opposite.
Let's use Rom 9:5 as a Case Study. Mr. Bond cited this (among others) as a 'proof' of Jesus' God status. (We could use any of the verses usually used to 'prove' this status.)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. ESV (NIV, NLT, BSB, BLB, CSB, and others are similar)
Looks good to the untrained eye, or to those used to zeroing in on such passages as it says exactly what they were looking for. Jesus IS God! End of conversation/debate/argument etc.
DID Paul change his teaching regarding Jesus?
Has Paul lost the plot, reversing everything he has said on who Jesus is and who he is not, or is this verse skewed to suit dogma and quoted accordingly. Paul has been consistent through all his letters regarding God and Jesus. They are not both God anywhere except for a very few passages like Rom 9:5.
1Cor 1:3 3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:7 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
We could go on for another 30 pages of the same rhetoric. Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus. This next one epitomises Paul's understanding.
for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ... 1Cor 8:6
We could read Rom 9:5 this way as NASB and a few others put it, which fits with all Paul's other writings without contradiction.
whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
According to Trinitarians and Binitarians-
DID Paul change his teaching regarding Jesus? Or is Rom 9:5 (as quoted above from ESV, NIV, NLT, BSB, BLB, CSB and others) just a very poor translation/interpretation?