Catholic convert here. It is of my understanding that the differences between the Calvinist and Catholic predestination theology is mostly a game of semantics, and I was curious to see other opinions on this, and hope for correction if I am gravely incorrect.

I read this a while ago - http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/tulip.htm

Putting aside Catholic distinctions of mortal/venial sin (which the Eastern Catholics reject the distinction between mortal and venial sin while not contradicting "latin" theology, and is thus also a valid position in Catholicism) and losing your state of grace and getting back into a state of grace, is TULIP not more or less true? If the grace of final perseverance for the elect is a grace we cannot merit and is given freely by God to the elect and God predestines us based on the foreknowledge of our acceptance of Christ and there is nothing we can do to merit this gift of faith either, is this not just double predestination?

This is what I mean by it being a game of semantics. Different vocab and formula to arrive at the same conclusion. Thoughts appreciated.

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    Total depravity may not mean exactly what the name says, but the name would be rejected. The link also plays with the Catholic understanding to justify Limited Atonement. Christ died for all so we wouldn't call it a limited atonement.
    – eques
    Jul 11 at 21:53
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    I think reducing it to semantics really does a disservice to the Truth, and both Calvinists and Catholics would agree on at least this point. Jul 11 at 21:57
  • Catholics and Calvinists do agree with total depravity. See Jimmy Akins book “The salvation controversy” for more info.
    – Luke Hill
    Jul 11 at 22:12
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    @Luke That doesn't seem right to me. Don't Catholics teach that baptism cleanses fully from original sin?
    – curiousdannii
    Jul 11 at 23:55
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    @Luke Original sin is what makes us depraved and unable to do good. If it is removed then in the Catholic understanding why are we still depraved?
    – curiousdannii
    Jul 12 at 1:01


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