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How is this contradiction of Joseph Smith reconciled with the Bible? I received this information from the following LDS site:

https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-21-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost?lang=eng&abVersion=V04&abName=GLOB88

More specifically!

"A person may be temporarily guided by the Holy Ghost without receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost (see D&C 130:23). However, this guidance will not be continuous unless the person is baptized and receives the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. We read in Acts 10 that the Roman soldier Cornelius received inspiration from the Holy Ghost so that he knew the gospel of Jesus Christ was true. But Cornelius did not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until after he was baptized. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that if Cornelius had not received baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost would have left him (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 97).

Today people who are not members of the Church learn by the power of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true (see Moroni 10:4–5). But that initial testimony leaves them if they do not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. They do not receive the continuing assurance that can come to those who have the gift of the Holy Ghost."

The following is from Acts 10:44-48.

Vs44, "While Peter was still speaking these words, (The words are in the previous verse 43, "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.") the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message."

Vs45, "And all the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also."

Vs46, "For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, Vs47, "Surely no one refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"

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  • can you clarify the contradiction? You seem to have done a good enough job explaining this so called contradiction.
    – depperm
    Nov 13, 2021 at 19:15
  • @depperm I will, even though I believe it's pretty clear. Smith said this: "Cornelius did not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until after he was baptized." Acts 10:45 clearly states that Cornelius/Gentiles received the gift of the HS BEFORE they were water baptized. This is brought out by Peter at vs47 where he says, "Surely no one can refuse them from getting water baptized, can he? This is a Rhetorical question in which Peter is making the point that no answer is needed. In other words, "it goes without saying."
    – Mr. Bond
    Nov 13, 2021 at 19:24

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OP states the LDS belief [the Holy Ghost's] guidance will not be continuous unless the person is baptized and receives the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. and Peter in Acts 10:47 says similar Surely no one can refuse them from getting water baptized, can he? so both agree the Holy Ghost leads to baptism (he wanted them baptized so that they could receive the gift of the Holy Ghost to have it with them always. He didn't say they no longer needed to be baptized).

I believe a principal from an earlier answer applies:

Since this terminology was not standardized for convenience and clarity prior to the twentieth century, readers are cautioned not to expect the early writings of the Church to always reflect this practice, which arose only decades later. Likewise, attempting to read the Bible as if its writers followed the same modern practice is anachronistic, and may lead to confusion and misinterpretation.

Peter probably referred to it as the gift of the Holy Ghost as all good gifts are from God (James 1:17) and the power of the Holy Ghost is no different than the gift of the Holy Ghost beyond time one can feel its influence.

Another biblical example to look to is found in Acts 8:12-25

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  • +1 the Holy Spirit is quite awesome. The Holy Spirit spoke a prophecy and proclaimed the Gospel through the mouth of the wicked Caiaphas, a reminder that God works in many ways one hardly expects, and He speaks through many voices one would never anticipate. ”He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation.” - John 11: 51 The Holy Spirit can operate through anyone and even pagans.
    – Ken Graham
    Nov 13, 2021 at 22:04
  • @depperm Yes, you are stating Lds belief, but it's not what the Bible states. There is nothing in Acts 10:44-46 about this so-called "guidance" that your trying to apply to the text of scripture. In fact, the laying on of hands is not mentioned here. My question is simple? According to the reading of the text did Cornelius receive the gift of the Holy Spirit before he was actually water baptized or after he was baptized? Also, according to Acts 10:46 the writer of Acts says that Peter and the Jews with him heard Cornelius & his household speaking in tongues and EXALTING God. Yes or no!
    – Mr. Bond
    Nov 13, 2021 at 22:48
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    @KenGraham My question has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit working or not working on Caiaphas. The question is, "did the household of Cornelius receive the gift of the Holy Spirit before or after he was water baptized?" Please stay on topic.
    – Mr. Bond
    Nov 13, 2021 at 22:55
  • A fully baptized apostle speaking: Act 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" This question deals with this. and the answers should too. Nov 13, 2021 at 23:34
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    @MikeBorden doesn't this address your question? what don't you understand?
    – depperm
    Nov 15, 2021 at 12:47
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The actual quote :

Cornelius did not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until after he was baptized. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that if Cornelius had not received baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost would have left him

The OP's (mis)interpretation of the quote :

( Title ) Mormon prophet Joseph Smith stated one does not get the Holy Ghost until they are baptized.

( Comment ) Smith said this: "Cornelius did not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until after he was baptized."

The OP confuses the words of the writer, which precede the quote from Smith, with Smith's actual quote, which follow after the writer's own words.

  • The writer's words are exact, if one sees both water and spirit baptism as conjointly subsumed under the term baptism.

  • Even if not, Smith's quote still holds true regardless, since, were Cornelius to have rejected either the spirit baptism, or the water baptism, or both, it would have been a rejection of God, and thus God's spirit would have eventually left or deserted him.

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