We read in Genesis how God created heavens, earth and light :

"In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light." (Gen 1: 1-3)

Everyday science tells us that without light the temperature of the universe would be Absolute Zero, which means that everything including water that existed prior to creation of light would be in a frozen state. That could be the reason why Verse 1 says that the earth was a formless void. But Verse 9-10 go on to state :

“Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. "

That implies that water attained fluidity after the creation of light.

My question therefore is: In what form did water exist before the creation of light ? Inputs from any denomination are welcome .

  • So, this is a Physics question about the various states that are possible for H2O to exist in, whether solid (ice), liquid (water), gas (water vapour) or . . . . . dissociated. The last, fourth, state is called a plasma and I think that that answers your physics question about the states of H2O. However I dispute the timeline you are attempting to adopt for Genesis 1:1-2, but that is an entirely different question which is duplicated, over and over on the site, in more ways than I care to list.
    – Nigel J
    Aug 19 at 11:18
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    Does this answer your question? How can the sun be created after day and night?
    – Nigel J
    Aug 19 at 11:21
  • Simply imagine an earth that was a formless void and the darkness the covered the face of the deep. You will appreciate what the point my my question is. Was it not possible that permafrost covered the whole earth in uneven shapes ( just as what we find in Antarctica in night time ) before the warmth of light softened the ice ? Aug 19 at 11:45
  • And the deep ? Deep what ? Deep ice ? No sun. No stars. No light. No spectrum. No photons.
    – Nigel J
    Aug 19 at 11:49
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    @Matthew, please provide references for this "interesting and compelling hypothesis". The expression "There is" could simply mean that your brother-in-law thought it up last week. Aug 19 at 13:14

The words for ice קרח and vapor הבל exist in Hebrew, therefore since it says that the Spirit was over the waters it means it was liquid

The OP claims

That implies that water attained fluidity after the creation of light

That is not correct chronologically

“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭

Spirit of God was on the face or surface of the waters. It is only after this that light was spoken and called forth in verse 3

“And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭

It’s also disheartening to see in the comments section modern secular cosmological being imposed onto Biblical cosmology. Earth in the Bible is not a planet, in fact planets cannot exist in Biblical cosmology. The earth is a plane with the underworld not a globe spinning and a molten core.

I suspect the OP is trying to understand why the water was liquid, if it was liquid. But that’s probably because he too is thinking in terms of modern cosmology and vast empty space. The water was liquid because even if it would freeze eventually given the circumstances, it was so fresh, therefore it was liquid. This is another point towards the beginning being on the first day in verse 1 and not eons prior.

The OP sin the comments has asked a question that in part if scientific and factual but comes from a theoretical framework that is unrelated to the Cosmology of the Bible.

Seeing the current temperature of the universe (which he imagines is a vast empty vacuum of space, meaning modern, anti-God, secular, cosmology propaganda) how could water be liquid at second one, minute one, hour one, day one? I stop at day one because for him it’s sufficient for a light to exist for the waters to warm up or what actually occurred they maintained water.

Since this is a Biblical question it will have to be answered exegetical Ku and hermeneutically from the perspective of the author who inspired it and described His own creation and from the perspective of those who at the time believed the revelation description and the God who describes it.

While still remaining in the confines of scientific integrity but not restrained by modern cosmology that among other things demands for example a 13+ Billion year time span, whereas the Bible claims we are approaching according the Essence calendar the year 7,000 from day one of Creation, I will endeavor to explain why the waters were and remained liquid within a Biblical cosmology.

If there is nothing, meaning not even a space to place it in, then that nothing which doesn’t exist has no temperature. Heat transfers, but heat does not transfer through or into nothing. Beyond the universe God created which is not as massive as modern cosmology wants us to believe (you can continue to believe what you like, I’m describing Biblical cosmology and the answer to a Biblical cosmology question must be answered from a Biblical cosmological framework). Beyond this universe there is nothing. Heat cannot transfer into nothing.

Therefore this heat in this limited space, heavens (made of waters) and the earth as verse 1 indicates is confined to it.

Here is the point

When God decided to create something like waters and earth, he didn’t have to create them cold. He could have created them warm or hot. Therefore the waters within this limited space called Biblical universe were liquid, because they were created warm and they filled the space. Heat could not be lost.

Above and outside the universe (don’t think millions of light years away) think hundreds, possibly thousands of miles away) outside of this material thing, in the realm of nothing was the Spirit of God hovering over that something. He was hovering over waters or over the heavens that had not yet been separated. And if there is no separated heaven, then there are no heavenly bodies or beings to place those angelic creatures into. The universe (waters and earth) were that fresh. And therefore water could be liquid

All this could be so much easier to describe to someone who (even if they don’t accept Biblical Cosmology) understands Biblical Cosmology

Please don’t ask anymore questions on Biblical cosmology, research it yourself. There is plenty of material on the subject.

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    What do you mean that planets cannot exist in Biblical cosmology? Aug 20 at 11:30
  • I think you ought to study the cosmology first @Mike because my response to your question will not make sense if you’re still thinking in terms of modern secular cosmology. And when you do then your question will answer itself
    – Autodidact
    Aug 20 at 12:08
  • Do you know the story of the 3 blind guys encountering an elephant (The first man happens upon its leg, and concludes it's a tree. The second man bumps into its trunk, and concludes it's a snake. The last blind man feels its tail, and concludes it's a broom). Is the statement "Elephants don't exist in blind guy cosmology" similar to what you are saying? Aug 20 at 12:31
  • That’s not how revelations works @Mike. When God describes the earth and all the OT writers describe it in the same way, it doesn’t matter what the CGI and distorted lens of a modern camera says. I’m actually glad I didn’t try answering your question. You are too blind (by your own admission, even though you’re trying to bundle me in with you) to even realize what the elephant looks like. My suggestion was simple enough. Look into it and it will be self explanatory. I promise you it will be that easy. You don’t even have to accept Biblical cosmology to understand what it is.
    – Autodidact
    Aug 20 at 13:13
  • Average temperature of the universe as on date is (-) 270.42 C, that is just above Absolute Zero. In spite of all the stars like sun to warm up the universe, it remains cold ! Imagine what it would have been before the creation of light ! Aug 21 at 9:56

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