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A comment by Nigel:

The dual nature of Jesus Christ is such that Deity and humanity meet in one Person. The natures neither mingle, nor merge, nor 'switch'. They are two distinct things. They meet only in the Person of Jesus Christ. This is a mystery, it is a matter of faith, not carnal understanding, for the carnal mind cannot receive or process such a mystery.

It would seem that this idea is totally dependent on post Apostolic creeds. If that is not the case, what is the biblical support?

To seek support by faith in that which scripture (apparently) never speaks of, is to have faith in that which is, extra-biblical, non-inspired texts, originating from vivid imaginations alone.

This question seeks answers from any who believe in the simplicity of 1 Cor 8:6

yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

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The two natures of Jesus Christ is a fairly natural conclusion when we consider what the New Testament says about him.

Firstly, it's clear that Jesus has a human nature: he has a physical body, he sleeps, he hungers (Mark 11:12), he learns (Hebrews 5:8).

More contentiously, Jesus is divine. The evidence for this is more debated. For example his miracles: does he do them in his own power and right, or is he the conduit of the Father, just as many other humans "did" miracles? Other questions have asked for the Bible basis for Jesus being God incarnate, so I'll just highlight a few things from his life that I think form the strongest argument that he is God incarnate:

  • He claims the right to forgive sin (Mark 2:10)
  • He can know the thoughts of others (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Luke 5:22; 6:8; 9:47; 11:17)
  • He claims to have existed before Abraham, a claim normally interpreted as implying his eternality (John 8:58)
  • He willingly receives the worship of humans (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; 28:17)

But even if you accept both of these premises, two complete natures is not the only option. In the early church several alternatives were proposed and eventually declared heretical:

  • That his human nature was only an illusion (Docetism)
  • That Jesus had some sort of combined or hybrid divine-human nature (monophysitism, Eutyches)
  • That Jesus does not have a complete human nature, having a divine mind in place of a human mind (Apollinarism)

The ecumenical councils of the early church decided that these positions did not accord with the scriptures, and that they also had serious theological consequences. Gregory of Nazianzus's famous statement of "That which is not assumed is not healed" gets at the problem of all positions which deny that Jesus had a full human nature. The hope of the Christian Gospel is for complete healing and freedom from sin through the resurrection into the new creation inaugurated by Jesus Christ. We normally focus on bodily resurrection, but arguably it is the non-physical resurrection that will be more significant: when our heart loves what is evil, we need the hope of new hearts and new affections. When our mind betrays us and lies to us, we need the hope of new minds. When our spirit is downtrodden and weak, we need the hope of new spirits brought to full life by Jesus. If Jesus never actually had a human mind, or will, or soul, then our hope in the Gospel is eroded. When we are united to Christ by faith, will his resurrection only result in our physical bodies being raised to life with our souls and minds just as they are now, or will we receive the complete transformation he initiated?

That Jesus had two full and distinct natures, divine and human, is supported by many passages in the Gospels. I listed above many verses which describe Jesus knowing the "inner thoughts" of those around him - this kind of knowledge must come from the divine omniscient mind. Here we see knowledge from the divine mind communicated to the human mind (for it is the human mind which makes the body speak). But at other times Jesus says that he does not know something which only the Father knows, the time of his second coming or judgement day (Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32). This is the clearest case where the divine mind of Christ, which certainly does know the date, decides to keep this knowledge from his human mind.

Another interesting case is when the woman who had been bleeding for twelve years was healed by touching Jesus's robe (Matthew 9:20-22, Mark 5:25-34, Luke 8:43-48). I think many people read Jesus's question "Who touched me?" as a rhetorical question, but do these texts really lead us to that interpretation? Mark says Jesus "kept looking around" and Luke has Jesus quite adamantly respond to Peter that he knew he had been touched and power had gone out from him. I think it would be better to read this, not as a rhetorical question from Christ's human nature which had been given omniscience by his divine nature, but instead as the genuine question of a human man who was not at this time being given insight from his divine nature, presumably so that the rest of the story could play out with his compassionate acceptance of the woman and his affirmation of her faith.

The last example I want to raise is Jesus's anguish in the Garden of Gethsemane. The previous examples showed the distinct human mind of Christ, this one shows his distinct human will. In Matthew 26:39-42, Mark 14:35-36, and Luke 22:42 Jesus prays that if possible he be spared from the upcoming ordeal he is about to undergo. In his human nature Jesus did not want to die that painful death on the cross, just as none of us would. The divine nature would give him strength to endure it, but these passages would not make any sense from the perspective of Docetism or Apollinarism.

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  • The problem historically has been not so much whether Jesus Christ was two (fully God and fully human) or one (person of the Trinity), but what "nature" should be taken to mean, especially when people were using it in different languages and the sense changed over time
    – Henry
    Jul 27 at 0:48
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The writer to the Hebrews clearly declares the humanity of Christ for ‘in all things, it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren’, Heb 2:7, there being nothing of humanity to which he was a stranger, even temptation, for he was ‘tempted in all points like as we are’, Heb 4:5, ‘yet without sin'.

Jesus speaks of his own human soul, ‘Now is my soul troubled …’, John 12:27, and, ‘My soul is exceeding sorrowful …’, Matt 26:38. It was prophesied of him that ‘Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (hades/sheol)’, Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:31. And, ‘He hath poured out his soul unto death,’ Isa 53:12.

He is the ‘second humanity’, 1 Cor 15:47, and he is the ‘last Adam’, 1 Cor 15:45.

But he is also a ‘quickening spirit’, 1 Cor 15:45, which Adam never was, for Adam’s only life was a matter of displaced air, breathed atmosphere, the filling of the nostrils, and the transfer of that living component to the blood supply such that ‘the life is in the blood’ of the first humanity.

Of his humanity Jesus says, ‘Behold my hands and my feet,’ Luke 39,’that it is I myself’ (Greek literal ‘that he I am’, TR). The ‘he’ whom Jesus identifies is ‘I’. Both are his self ; the ‘he’ his humanity and the ‘I’ the quickening spirit. The ‘he’ has hands and feet. Behold them, for this ‘he’ is . . . . ‘I’.

Of this quickening spirit, his own spirit, his spiritual being, Jesus says ‘I and the Father are one’, John 10:30. Since it is the Father with whom he is ‘one’ (which Father is spirit only, for the Father has no physical manifestation whatsoever) then the ‘one’-ness is a oneness of spirit, the spirit of the Son being one with the spirit of the Father. And this is so, in one Holy Spirit.

Jesus clearly tells us, John 4:24, that ‘God is spirit’ (literally Pneuma ho Theos, ‘Spirit, the God’). And the Father and the Son are, thus, one spirit, in the Holy Spirit.

He is ‘the life, the eternal’, 1 John 1:2. Before manifestation. ‘Which was with the Father.’ Eternally so, in what Origen describes as an ‘eternal begetting’ (see below **). Father and Son, in spiritual union, in one Holy Spirit.

These two natures do not merge. They are different things. Uniquely, they meet, but they meet only in His Person. That is where and how they meet.

His Person.

For Jesus says, John 3:13, whilst standing on earth on his physical feet, 'the Son of man (that is to say, The Son/of man) which is in heaven'.

Standing on the earth, in humanity, yet His spirit is also one with the Father in heaven. He is ever 'in the bosom of the Father'.

Whilst in the bosom of the Father (in heaven) he also 'declares him' on earth, John 1:18.

This is the mystery of his person : the 'mystery of Christ', Colossians 4:3, and the 'mystery of the faith', 1 Timothy 3:9.


** Elsewhere, I fully set out the concept of ‘eternal begetting’ and I show the textual basis for this in regard to Jesus’ birth as documented by Matthew and Luke, but it is more than I can reasonably reproduce here so it is available, free of charge, as a download - the entire book titled ‘The Son of Man’ and also the entire book 'The Only Begotten Son of God'.

See my profile for the web address.

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    This is profound "For Jesus says, John 3:13, whilst standing on earth on his physical feet, 'the Son of man (that is to say, The Son/of man) which is in heaven'." He stands upon the earth and declares concurrent presence in heaven! +1 Jul 24 at 16:14
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Not wishing to reinvent the wheel, I would point to two answers that soundly answer your questions. Curiousdannii flagged up some deviations from 1st century biblical Christianity that got going, largely before any credal statements were formed. Even the Apostles’ Creed was not known to be recorded in its simplest form prior to A.D.400. Docetism, Monophysitism and Apollinarism were given as examples. Then Nigel J gave plenty of scriptural proofs for the claim in question. But what does not yet seem to have been addressed is that you are seeking answers from “any who believe in the simplicity of 1 Cor 8:6”. “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

There is a certain simplicity in that verse for those who have been following Paul’s argument about Christians being sensitive not to stumble others by eating food that has been first offered in sacrifice to idols (vs. 4). Christians who know the Father to be but one God, and who know Christ to be but one Lord, don’t find eating such food a problem. Idols are nothing. They are neither gods nor lords. But if a weak Christian thinks such food must not be eaten due to thinking idols are something, then the mature Christian would not eat that food – purely so as not to stumble the weak Christian.

The problem here is that ‘simplicity’ might be turned into ‘simplistic’. That would happen if a person approached Paul’s discussion here with a preconception that there can only be the Father who is God (divine) and the Son can only be Lord (not of that divine being). The simplistic approach rules out Christ having the divine being of God; if only the Father can be called ‘God’, then the Son can only be called ‘human’. The simplistic approach starts with the claim that as Christ is not God, he must only be Lord, and that is what they suppose one verse in 1 Cor. 8:6 says. So, Jesus only has one nature, according to the simplistic view – a human nature.

This simplistic view depends on belief in Jesus having a starting point, the Father having brought Jesus into existence at some point in time. No creature can have the same divine being as the uncreated, Creator God! Yet 1 Cor. 8:6 states that it is the Lord Jesus Christ “by whom are all things”. John 1:1-3 confirms this, that prior to becoming the man, Jesus, he “made everything that was made”, logically proving that he could not have been made himself. He existed from before time and creation began as “the Word” who was both with God and who is God. It is likely that those who take a simplistic view of 1 Cor. 8:6 argue against what John 1:1-3 states.

The Bible makes it clear that the divine nature of the Son of God had human nature added to the Son when he incarnated. This is a mystery because it is utterly unique. And such a mystery is not simple. But if people believe that the Son of God had a starting point in time, then he could never have a divine nature. Yet who can explain the wonder of the uncreated Son of God deigning to lower himself to take on human nature and become one of us? This is a Mystery of the highest order. No Christian can explain how it happened, though the Bible tells us clearly why it happened! But if any person claims to be able to explain how anything about God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit happens, they are telling you about a god of their own imagining – an explainable god – a god that conforms to sinful, mortal ideas about logic – a god made in human image, in other words.

Psalm 97 in its entirety would deal nicely with your question as it deals with the LORD [yhwh] reigning, but note its different uses of this word, ‘Lord’ in verses 5- 6 :

“The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.”

Well, both the name and the title of God (as Lord) are stated there. Yet 1 Cor. 8:6 tells us that there is only one Lord of all the earth, and that is Jesus Christ. Further, Christ is the righteousness of God, (‘King of righteousness’ Heb. ch. 7 & 1 Cor. 1:30) and the glory of God – in visible form (John 1:14). And Paul adds (1 Cor. 17:47) that “The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy; the second man [Jesus Christ] is the Lord from heaven.” Two natures found in the one incarnated Word of God. Amazing, but clearly and simply stated throughout the scriptures, yet beyond the ability of mere man to explain how that could be.

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  • It's always fascinating that when traditional adherents start off explaining a trinity, they end up with, 'it's a mystery!' It's fascinating b/c the bible doesn't share this mystery concept at all but speaks quite plainly and coherently about the man Jesus and his God.
    – steveowen
    Sep 19 at 4:12
  • @steveowen I'm so pleased you're fascinated. The subject of God is eternally fascinating, and no human on earth (bar Jesus) has ever been able to plumb the depths of the enormity of the nature of the one true God. I'm always saddened by people claiming to be able to explain everything about God. They are trying to give the impression that they are on a par with the Almighty, are they not?
    – Anne
    Sep 19 at 8:10
  • no, we are just able to explain Jesus quite adequately. He is not a mystery - he is just like one of us after all.
    – steveowen
    Sep 19 at 8:15
  • @steveowen You confidently claim that now (and you would, if you were a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness etc) but consider how billions on earth will react when the heavens depart as a scroll, and every mountain and hill are moved out of their places, and people cry to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?' Revelation 6:16-17 Is 'your man, Jesus' THAT Jesus?
    – Anne
    Sep 19 at 8:25
  • Absolutely - why wouldn't he be!? God speed the day! He is glorified like his Father - just as we will be.
    – steveowen
    Sep 19 at 8:31
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"And the Word was God ... and the Word was made flesh" - John 1:1 & 1:14

"God was manifest in the flesh" - 1 Timothy 3:16

"... the gospel of God ... concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" - Romans 1:1-4.

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Following curiousdanni's answer, I would also like to add on an important passage in understanding why there might be unclear in the dual nature of Jesus: Philippians 2:5-7.

In this passage it's explained that although Jesus was equal to God in nature, so it would not be robbery to be equal with God (robbery like claiming a more advantaged person's belongings), but on earth He didn't act via His divine nature; He acted as an example of a human in unity with God, as humans were meant to be, and as Christians should be. So you only see His human nature at work, but due to His love for God, you won't see the self-seeking human nature overpower God's will.

At any point, He could access any part of God's power or authority, including turning stones into bread (Matthew 4:1-4) or asking for an army of angels to fight for him (Matthew 26:52-54), but He didn't. Both times His reasoning not to was that it wasn't the Father's will.
(Although there is the concept of God having a perfect will and a permissive will, Jesus always did the perfect will. The army would have appeared, despite the request violating what God's perfect will was, but that's not the point. What's of note is that Jesus said He would ask for it.)

But to say Jesus is only a conduit for the Father and has no innate divine nature is not accurate; Jesus simply refused to do things by His divine nature, as it would be a useless example for His followers to follow.

There are several times where Jesus equates Himself with God (notably, "I and the Father are one", John 10:29-30), and outside of Paul's recognition in Philippians, there's the temptation Satan gave, "if you be the Son of God, command these stones to turn to bread" (Matthew 4:1-4)... not "ask the Father to turn these stones into bread".
Satan recognized the Son of God can do that by Himself. Wouldn't be much of a temptation if Jesus knew He couldn't do it.
When you consider what Satan is actually asking for, it doesn't seem unreasonable on a human level, to meet a legitimate human need. The key is looking at the spiritual side and what Jesus could possibly be violating by making use of His divine nature; prioritizing His human nature over God's plan.

That's how Christians are meant to use God's power or authority; not by being divine, nor by deserving it by doing good works, or from lack of sin, but by being entitled to it by their relationship to God (John 16:23, Romans 8:16-17), and knowing God's will in that situation. We are God's children, and by reasoning of that, heirs to God's authority and power as Jesus is.

Much like a lawyer acting in the name of his client, you cannot override your client's will... at least not when your client is omniscient and will immediately countermand your misuse of their authority. Although I doubt most Christians want to be asking for legions of angels, or that most would have faith to, i.e. know God's will in a scenario, the fact is Christians can (John 14:12-14, John 20:23, Mark 16:15-20).

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To start explaining any two natures, it is important to explain what I see in the scriptures about the natures.

H U M A N I T Y

God made humanity on the sixth day- a specific point in time. He formed dust and then blew into the nostrils breath of life. Genesis 2:7 explains that only then does the man become a “living being” (some translations say “soul”).

Note: Man called the “living being” consists of the formed dust and the breath of life/spirit. Here are more references on that.

  • “Remember, O God, that my life is but a breath; “ Job 7:7
  • “But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty,” Job 32:8
  • (Valley of Dry Bones) “ ‘This is what the Sovereign Yahweh says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life… I will put breath in you, and you will come to life’…. I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them. Then he said to me, ‘Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Yahweh says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’ So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.” Ezekiel 37:5-6,8-10
  • “…the body without the spirit is dead…” James 2:26
  • “[An unmarried woman’s] aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit.” 1 Corinthians 7:34
  • The apostles refer to the body as a tent, which is a temporary dwelling. They talk about leaving the tent (death) and being with the Lord and make statements of “living IN the body ”. It is important that you read the following passages before you continue with this post: 2 Peter 1:13, 2 Corinthians 5:1-10 and Philippians 1:22-24.

Note: There can be a body but without the spirit component it is just a “tent” or “the slain”. The “life” is “a breath”. The “spirit in a person” is the “breath of the Almighty”. It is the part that can be away from the tent of the body and be conscious to “be with the Lord”. So the conscious “you” is IN the body, it is not the body itself. We can say the spirit lives in the body. We see this to be true in the cases of the death of Jesus and Stephen; as they are dying, they commend their spirit up.

SO, NOW, DID JESUS HAVE A BODY?

Yes. This is what Hebrews 10:5 records

“Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: ‘Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; ’”.

In this passage, Christ is addressing God. God prepared Christ’s body much like He was responsible for forming the first man Adam from dust. We have to keep in mind, a human body born to a woman requires an equal part of chromosomes from the mother and the father to develop in the womb. This is why Mary questioned how would she be with child if she had not known a man. The answer provided was that the Holy Spirit would come upon her- God provided what was need for the body prepared for Christ much like he provided what was need for the first man Adam to be a living being.

WAS JESUS’ BODY DIFFERENT THAN OUR BODY?

We know from Colossians 1:22 that Christ has an actual “physical body”—not just something that looked like a human body. Christ, just like Adam, did not have an earthly father yet both are considered human. Interestingly they are both referred to as “the son of God” (Luke 3:38; John 10:36)—most likely because God provided what was needed in creating their body. In this way they both represent a start of something. But unlike Adam, Jesus was the only begotten Son.

Note: The body of our ancestor Adam did not require the dna of a mother and father and Jesus’ body did not require an earthly father. They both mark a start of something new. In being called “begotten” and “firstborn” we pick up on a distinction to Christ’s sonship with God but His humanity is still as valid as we consider Adam’s humanity. Yahweh God was Jesus’ Father.

DID THE BODY OF JESUS HAVE ADVANTAGES TO OURS?

Just like any other human Jesus was hungry, thirsty, tired, cried and had to rely on God. The difference was that Jesus understood the necessity to rely on God and cultivated this relationship with God. He prayed and said/did only what He saw His Father doing: John 5:19

‘Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."

This part is important because in relying and only doing what He was told by His Father is how Christ kept himself pure. He could be the lamb without spot, the righteous one to die for the unrighteous. Just like us, Jesus was tempted in every way, but unlike us, He did not sin (Hebrews 4:15). This is only possible because, unlike us, He exclusively followed the lead of the Spirit (who is God). Paul understood this concept when he wrote:

Romans 8:4

“… that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

Jesus constantly denied his flesh when tempted— which we understand to be “putting the flesh to death”. Jesus submitted Himself in obedience to His Father (Hebrews 5:7). As Paul says

Romans 6:16

“when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”

The body of the one who sins is ruled by sin (Romans 6:6,12). But because of Christ’ reverent submission to the Father, Jesus was righteous. Which beckons the question,

IF HE WAS RIGHTEOUS/SINLESS, HOW COULD HE DIE?

Paul is clear in Romans 5:12 that sin entered the WORLD through one man, Adam (please note that it does not say sin entered mankind). When sin entered the world, death entered through sin, and in this way death came to all “because all sinned”. We die not because sin is passed down through the flesh as descendants of Adam (something many believe). We die because each of us has sinned.

So if Jesus didn’t sin, how was it possible for Him to die? The only reason Jesus could die was because “ “He himself bore our sins” in his body " (1 Peter 2:24). Jesus experienced the separation sin causes between humanity and God (Isaiah 59:2) which leads to death. It is ONLY then that He exclaims as He is dying, “Father, why have you forsaken me?” when previously Jesus said in John 8:29,

“The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.

THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE QUESTION: IF JESUS IS ALSO GOD, HOW COULD HE DIE?

Over and over scripture is clear that our bodies are what is “mortal” (can die). It says nothing about the spirit of man dying.

  • “Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?” Hebrews 3:17
  • “he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies ...” Romans 8:11
  • “and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life” Matthew 27:52
  • (the girl who died) “But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!” Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up.” Luke 8:54-55
  • “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.” Luke 12:4-5

As for Jesus: “He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.” 1 Peter 3:18

D I V I N I T Y

BUT THIS STILL ASSUMES THAT JESUS IS DIVINE/GOD. IS IT AN ASSUMPTION?

There is proof that He is divine/God based on the accounts in the gospel and by the apostles.

PRE-EXISTENCE

  1. John says of Christ: “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” John 1:5 (Mary gave birth to Jesus after John)
  2. He said He was going back to Him: “I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.” John 16:28

SHARING WITH THE FATHER

  1. He had glory with the Father before the world began: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” John 17:5

    (Also a point of existing before ministry on earth)

  2. He said He is one with the Father: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30

  3. (Jesus praying) "All I have is yours, and all you have is mine." John 17:10

RESPECTED/MADE CLAIMS AS GOD

  1. He said of Himself the very words Yahweh proclaimed of Himself: ““Very truly I tell you… before Abraham was born, I am!” John 8:58 (see Exodus 3:14)
  2. He forgave sins
  3. Demons and creation obey Him
  4. Worshiped (Matthew 14:33; Hebrews 1:6)
  5. Claiming Himself Lord of the Sabbath (Sabbath is a time to acknowledge God as the one who created – Exodus 16:23; 20:11)
  6. Claimed to be “Son of God” making Himself “equal to God” as explained in John 5:18

CREDITED WITH REFERENCES MADE OF YAHWEH GOD

  1. John 12:41 After quoting Isaiah 6, John writes “Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.” Isaiah tells us who he saw in that chapter (Isaiah 6:5)

“ “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of hosts.

  1. 1 Peter 3:10-15-

Verses 10-13 Peter is quoting Psalm 34:12-16 which was referring to Yahweh.

Verses 14 and 15 are set up as a parallel to Isaiah 8:12-13 where it says

"Do not fear their threats or be in dread. Yahweh of hosts shall be your fear".

In Peter’s letter he commands us to revere/fear Christ as Lord.

  1. 1 Peter 2:3 “…now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.

This is the same phrasing of Psalm 34:8

Taste and see that Yahweh is good.”

  1. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Paul states he does not want the reader to be “ignorant of the fact” and then states about the Israelites who left Egypt

“…they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Yahweh is credited with leading the Israelites through the wilderness and providing them with water from the rock. Yahweh was clear in Isaiah 44:8

“…You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.

  1. Matthew 2:6 is a quote of Micah 5:2

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” ("origins" also translated "going forth")

  1. Luke 1:68 Zechariah prophesied saying

“ Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them.”

  1. Matthew 1:22-23

“All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel’ (which means ‘God with us’).”

  1. Mark 1:3, Matthew 3:3, Luke 3:4, John 1:23 are all quotes from Isaiah 40:3 which reads

“ A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for Yahweh; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.”

  1. Mark 1:2 is a quote of Malachi 3:1

“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says Yahweh Almighty.”

HOW CAN WE RECONCILE THE IDEA OF SUCH DEEP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CHRIST PREACHED AND YAHWEH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT?

Who we know as “Jesus” on the earth actually BECAME “nothing” by taking human form when he entered the world. That means He was something BEFORE entering the world. Paul tells us clearly what that means Philippians 2:6-7

“Who, BEING IN VERY NATURE GOD, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!”

Who He was before becoming “nothing/made in human likeness” is the “very nature God”. This can't refer to being "spirit" only because angels are spirits and are never referenced this way. Here is the definition of that Greek word "3444 morphḗ – properly, form (outward expression) that embodies essential (inner) substance so that the form is in complete harmony with the inner essence."

There is but ONE God- Yahweh. There is "No One like Yahweh our God" (Exodus 8:10). 1Samuel 2:2

"There is no one holy like Yahweh; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God"

Based on the references of Yahweh credited to Christ, we need to look at what Jesus said about Himself after offense was taken when He “claimed [himself] to be God” (John 10:30-33).

“what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” John 10:36

Note: Jesus never denied point for which they were offended which they made clear.

“SET APART” from who?

  • The One “set apart” (Jesus was referring to Himself) was not of the angels because “to which of the angels did God say ‘You are my son’?” (Hebrews 1:5).
  • The one “set apart” is not of humanity because the Father did the setting apart before sending INTO the world. This "one" already existed.

Note: So this setting apart happens first in a different location than the world and it’s not among the angels or humanity.

This next passage clears this:

Hebrews 1:7-9

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

Yahweh God calls the Son “God”. Then Yahweh, the God of this Son, sets the Son above His companions. God of God? The next passage clarifies this seeming contradiction:

Hebrews 1:5

For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?

Note: This last passage shows a definitive timing called “today”. And it states two things, the point in time Yahweh God becomes the Father and the point in time Christ becomes the Son. There is no doubt of the hierarchy of this relationship but it is important to recognize this hierarchy happened at a definitive point in time- it wasn’t always like this.

When this one who was “set apart” comes into the earth He calls Yahweh His Father because He is found in human likeness…

Hebrews 2:14

” Since the children have flesh and blood, [Jesus] too shared in their humanity “.

When he was found in human likeness, Jesus became our “companion” making Yahweh, whom He was set apart from, His God as well.

John 16:28

“I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

The Jesus people saw and touched in the body had a spirit inside (the consciousness part of “humanity”) who was from Yahweh Himself…as in OF the “very nature God”. This would explain how He is before Abraham, how He is one with His Father Yahweh, how He had glory with Yahweh before the world began, how He is worshiped, how He is on the throne with God in Revelation, etc.

It also gives a better understanding of the following three verses:

Colossians 2:9

“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"

Colossians 1:19

“For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,”

2 Corinthians 5:19

“that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ,"

Again, a human is a spirit that lives in a body. Part of Yahweh God, who is Spirit, lived inside the “body prepared” to carry out the plan of reconciliation.

Jesus modeled the relationship mankind is to have with God. It is only when the “one set aside” enters the world with the body prepared for Him that He becomes “the Son”, and God who is known to the Israelites as "Yahweh” becomes “The Father”. I don’t see evidence of Jesus pretending to be an infant all the while being fully aware or keeping certain knowledge from his “human mind”. But instead, in becoming nothing, He truly became a clean slate.

Luke 2:40

“ And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was on him.”

Luke 2:52

“ And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.”

I will leave you with Christ’s words: “Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? … it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me;” John 14:10,11

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    – curiousdannii
    Sep 19 at 13:08
  • +1. Though the answer does go on a few tangents, it provides copious Bible references that are on-point to the question. Nice beginning for a new contributor. Sep 20 at 12:52

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