In an answer to a Question regarding Deity the answer relies on the BoM (see LDS) to explain what is seen in Genesis :

And God said, Let us make man in our image [Genesis 1:26 KJV]

And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image [Genesis 1:26 YLT].

This astounding revelation of Deity, in the very opening verses of the first scripture ever written (unless the book of Job came first, which may well be so) is surely fundamental to the knowledge of God.

One God speaks and says 'Let us . . .'

Thereafter we are given hints of that which is to come : a promise of a seed of woman raised above angelic authority (which bruises the serpent from above) Genesis 3:15 ; the provision of a sacrificial covering heralding the provision of another humanity, Genesis 3:21 ; a promise of the provision of a lamb, Genesis 22:8 ; the breathtaking revelation of an Angel of the Lord who is referred to as Elohim, speaking out of the midst of the bush (whereas Jehovah looked down from above) Exodus 3:4 . . . . and many, many other scriptures too numerous to speak of particularly at the present time - until one was seen in the furnace, together with three, who is described as 'son of Deity', Daniel 3:25.

If I am to be persuaded that humanity had to wait until 1829 to receive some fundamental 'revelations' regarding Deity that had not been revealed by the coming into the world of Jesus Christ, the only begotten (monogenes) ; the one who - alone in the history of the entire world - received a voice from heaven declaring 'This is my beloved Son', Matthew 3:17 ; the only one who received a further voice from heaven saying 'This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him', Matthew 17:5 ; and the only one of whom it was ever declared that there is a 'Revelation (apokalupsis) of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him', Revelation 1:1 - then that persuasion must be firmly based, not on the 'further revelation' itself (for that is what is to be evidenced) but on precedent.

Surely I can be persuaded of fundamental truths regarding the very nature of Deity from within the pages of the Hebrew scriptures and the Greek scriptures, written over a period of two millenia, by a veritable multitude of authors and by, especially, eight authors (nine, depending on the attribution of Hebrews) who were evidently the chosen spokespersons of Jesus Christ : surely.

Those who were doubtful of whom and of what Jesus Christ was, who were doubtful of his person, of his ministry, of his work, and of his doctrine - these were amply persuaded by reference to an overwhelming abundance of previous revelation in the Hebrew scriptures, by reference to Moses and the prophets and the psalms and the history of Israel.

Thus, if I wish to be persuaded of a 'further revelation' (occurring almost two thousand years after Jesus Christ ascended to heaven) especially as there has already been an authorised 'further revelation' by John the Apostle which very plainly warns of any further additions, Revelation 22:18, should I not be able to request that my doubts should be addressed by strong reference to the preceding scriptures and not the repeated assertion of the 'further revelation' that is being addressed ?

My question, therefore is : what support can be given from within the bible (Genesis to Revelation) of the 'further revelation' which is said to have occurred in 1829 ? Or, indeed, that there can possibly be any further revelation at all - until the personal appearance (as promised) of the Lord Jesus Christ accompanied by 'clouds', Revelation 1:7 (of witnesses, Hebrews 12:1) ?

What prophecies ? What references in Moses, the prophets, the psalms, the historical books ? What words of Jesus himself prepare me for a fundamental shift in thinking, a widespread re-stating of doctrine, an altogether unprecedented development in the knowledge of the one true God ?

Or am I being, in effect, told that there is not one true God . . . that there are many gods . . . and little is known of these obscure beings ?

My question is : What prepares me in the holy scriptures already provided over a period of two thousand years - and after another period of another two thousand years - for a fundamental, unprecedented 'revelation' which has been kept from humanity since the foundation of the world and has now been revealed to a single individual ?

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    Related: What are the biblical arguments that the Bible canon is NOT closed?
    – user50422
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 10:17
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    @SpiritRealmInvestigator My question is not about the canon of scripture nor even about scripture itself, as such. My question is about a 'further revelation' (however it is transmitted). It is more fundamental than the related question : it is about the concept that there can be anything further (after the coming, the suffering, the death, the resurrection and the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ) that can be revealed save all that is already revealed in the Apocalypse.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 10:53
  • Don't forget, Moses is the author of Job.
    – Adam
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58
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    @Adam I do not accept that Moses is the author of Job (from the internal evidence of the contents of the book). But I very much suppose that Moses translated the book from a more rudimentary language than Hebrew, perhaps cuneiform.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 15:34
  • " Those who were doubtful of whom and of what Jesus Christ was, who were doubtful of his person, of his ministry, of his work, and of his doctrine - these were amply persuaded by reference to an overwhelming abundance of previous revelation in the Hebrew scriptures, by reference to Moses and the prophets and the psalms and the history of Israel." Note that the majority of the Jews were not amply persuaded, either then or to this day, that Jesus was the Messiah spoken of in their scriptures.
    – Confutus
    Commented Jul 22, 2021 at 6:50

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The entire New Testament is a precedent for the further revelation of fundamental truths about Deity. Some few Jews believed what Jesus said about Himself, and such explanations and expositions of Moses and all the prophets as He gave to disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:27), but more of them adhered to the traditions of the elders, particularly the Pharisees.

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    The Old Testament as well. Adam walked with God. God had to reveal himself again through Moses. God had to reveal himself again and again through his prophets to combat idol worship. When Jesus was gone the Apostles still needed revelation, again to combat false doctrine and figure out what they were even supposed to do.
    – kutschkem
    Commented Jul 22, 2021 at 12:10
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    @kutschkem great observation. It seems odd to me that people would draw this line and say "Anything after this point in time, god will not speak to people. There can be no revelation or prophets from this point on".
    – TKoL
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 9:15
  • Personal revelation, as on the road to Emmaus, will certainly occur when individuals enter a personal relationship with God for it is at the new birth that understanding begins. Isn't it interesting that the contents of the Emmaus road discourse are left unwritten? Whatever Jesus expounded, therefore, was not meant to add to the written revelation. Their hearts burned within them while He opened the Scriptures to them. Testing of the spirits (not all of whom are of God) is always by comparison to what has been written. Search the Scriptures and see... Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 12:31

I am addressing this question as a broader spectrum question than LDS doctrine alone, under the thought that a broader answer was the intended desire.

The entire Bible stands as evidence that further revelation should be expected. Throughout its pages, we see angels, prophets, visions, and miracles both grand and small. Recounting each would be tiresome and, I think, meritless for our purposes.

How is this evidence that further revelation should be expected?

Malachi 3:6

For I am the Lord, I change not;

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Psalm 102:25-27

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

If God doesn't change, why would He stop talking to individuals? Why would angels stop visiting individuals? If he called prophets and Apostles in times past, why not now?

Certainly, the Catholic Church believes this is the case, as a very cursory glance at The Holy See's website indicates Apostolic letters, exhortations, and constitutions. A perusal of Catholic history makes it clear that various popes had no hesitation in issuing both interpretations of existing scripture and also new revelations applicable to their times. Whether one individual or another agrees with anything said will, obviously, depend on the individual's beliefs, but there can be no doubt that the popes claimed to be receiving revelation from God.

Catholicism is hardly the only mainstream group to claim revelation from God. LDS doctrine holds that new prophets have been called, and just about every denomination I have interacted with agrees in receiving some form of personal revelation, though they usually do not canonize such instances in scripture.

The original question focuses much on scripture and whether we should have any more added to that found in the contemporary Bible. If a revelation from God to man is not scripture, then I'm not sure how to define the term. Whether all revelation should be in scripture is another matter; certainly, one could judge some statements to be of greater worth than others- I myself struggle with the Song of Solomon, despite its presence in the Bible itself!

We then arrive at the Antilegomena and other portions of scripture which various individuals claim are more or less valid than other portions. Martin Luther was one to have such questions, just to name a prominent individual we are all familiar with. Questioning whether all portions of the Bible are actually scripture, and debating which parts are, was not uncommon in centuries past. The Catholic Church did not settle the matter until after several ecumenical councils, with the current version set forth in 382 AD- well after the Apostles. The Catholic Bible does not even match the Bibles used by protestant groups today!

Ah, but of course we can say that all the books in the Bible were put forth before Christ or resultant of His direct teachings while on Earth, but this is also false. The Apostles demonstrate repeatedly that they received new information from God, such as Peter's vision concerning the gentiles (see Acts chapter 10).

But then one could argue it must come from an Apostle set forth by Christ during His earthly ministry. That brings us back to Acts, where in chapter 6 they pick seven others to assist them. One of those, Stephen, has his testimony and teachings in Acts, thus being scripture.

That gives the precedent for others chosen by Apostles to have something worth putting in scripture. This supports claims held by various churches, from Catholicism to some protestant groups, as well as restorationists like LDS, which claim some form of authority from Apostles, either through bishops past or angelic visitations, all or any of whom could have received revelation, and that revelation could be deemed important enough to be in scripture, given precedents set in the Bible itself.

One could argued that all of this is bogus, that only the Apostles and prior prophets could record scripture, and Stephen's words were approved of by Peter directly and thus included in scripture. Then such an individual would have to go back to the ecumenical councils and carefully consider what was and was not accepted into the Bible, since if one claims only the Apostles could judge what is scripture, then those attending the councils would not be qualified of making such determinations.

God Himself could certainly add to established scripture, and as we began the conversation, if God does not change, then we must accept at least the possibility that He might have more to say to the world at large. Another possible author becomes John. This is open to interpretation, but some take John 21:20-23 to indicate that one Apostle still walks the earth and could thus make qualified judgements of what is and is not scripture, and possibly add to it.

I am aware of many who have either claimed to be Christ or claimed to speak for Him or on His behalf. I see no reason given in the Bible to claim this is impossible, and every reason to say it is possible. Obviously not all who have those claims actually were correct, but determining which if any are/were is well beyond the scope of this question.

I can't say I'm familiar with anyone claiming to be John or speaking on his behalf, though I imagine there surely must have been someone doing so at some point.

To conclude, Biblical verses and patterns have set forth that God has spoken, that He doesn't change, and that He still can speak. Whether He has spoken since the New Testament, and if so, to whom, is another question. Whether any such words could be considered scripture seems like a semantic question, for if one accepts words as coming from God, then such words would have the same weight as scripture regardless of where the words themselves are recorded.

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    Interesting that you focus on 'Catholic' (I assume Roman Catholic as it is contrasted with 'protestant') church as I find much in common between RC and LDS. Martin Luther's purpose was to return to that which was in the beginning, not to claim 'further revelation'. Back to scripture. Back to the apostles. Back to Jesus' words. Not forward to an unauthorised 'new' revelation. John the same, at first century's end - 'that which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled' : declare we unto you. No new revelation : back to the beginning.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 4:03
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    As God does not change any further, personal revelation will conform with and will never contradict that which has already been given. This is the test by which we may test those who claim to be the Christ or to speak for the Christ. If Scripture says God is eternally unchanged and a man says God used to be mortal...one of them is wrong. Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 12:50
  • @MikeBorden I agree, personal revelation is the means to judge the veracity of all claims of modern revelation, as well as various interpretations of scripture
    – Taejang
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 13:38
  • @NigelJ In reality, I probably shouldn't have included any reference to LDS in the answer, since their status as "Christian" is not accepted by many here, and thus even more of the answer would be Catholic-centric. I'll leave it as is though, since I consider LDS to be Christian, and the entire discussion around this question is very LDS focused.
    – Taejang
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 13:40
  • @NigelJ I personally see LDS as a mixture of RC's claim of authority and Luther's desire to restore that which was at the beginning. In some ways, LDS doctrine very much does restore what is missing from other denominations- temple worship, Apostles, proselytizing, etc., all of which were part of Christ's NT ministry. There is a great deal, however, that is either different or dependent on LDS interpretation of the Bible, which leans into the LDS claim for authority to receive new revelation- like RC with the Pope. This view and comparison is kinda subjective opinion on my part, though
    – Taejang
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 13:50

Future revelations/doctrine beyond Rev 22:18?

By that same logic Deut 4:2 (Deut 12:32) would discount Revelation and the whole New Testament. The LDS believe this verse is pertaining to the manuscript of John's not the bible or New Testament.

When John wrote the Book of Revelation in the latter part of the first century A.D., he was not writing the concluding pages of the New Testament, as there was no New Testament in existence at that time....Nor was his manuscript necessarily the last one written. It is the consensus of those who have written on the subject that several of these 27 scrolls were written after the Book of Revelation was written.1

What support can be given from within the bible (Genesis to Revelation) of the 'further revelation' which is said to have occurred in 1829?


The LDS church believe a falling away would happen. Amos 8:11-13

11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

Amos 3:21

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


The LDS believe the stick of Judah refers to the Bible, while the stick of Ephraim refers to the Book of Mormon.

Ezekiel 37:16-17

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Prophecies2 contains longer explanations

Isaiah 11:1,10-12

  • Stem of Jesse-Jesus Christ
  • rod, root-Joseph Smith

Isaiah 29:11-12

  • words of a book that is sealed-Book of Mormon
  • one that is learned- Charles Anthon
  • him that is not learned-Joseph Smith

Isaiah 40:3-5

  • the voice of him that crieth-Joseph Smith

Jeremiah 30:17,21

Malachi 3:1-3

  • messenger, forerunner-Covenants conveyed by Joseph Smith

Revelation 14:6-7

  • another angel fly- Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Elias, Elijah, Moses, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, divers angels who restored keys and priesthood authority

JST contains more references, but that would rely on first accepting that Joseph Smith was a prophet.


see below

What prepares me in the holy scriptures already provided over a period of two thousand years - and after another period of another two thousand years - for a fundamental, unprecedented 'revelation' which has been kept from humanity since the foundation of the world and has now been revealed to a single individual?

That is how the Lord works by revealing things previously unknown/unprecedented through his mouthpiece, a prophet. Amos 3:7

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

This pattern can be seen throughout the bible (Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, Amos, etc). See also dispensations

Nevertheless, the validity of the divine calling of Joseph Smith rests not on ancient scriptural records, but on the appearance of God the Father and His Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, to the young Prophet in the spring of 1820.


Of that man, Elder Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, “If a person thinks the name of Joseph Smith ought to be found in the Bible spelled out in so many letters, he will search in vain.” (Answers to Gospel Questions, 3:6.) That is true; the Prophet Joseph’s name is not found—at least not in the King James Version. Nevertheless, if we search the scriptures with an eye of faith, we will discover that the Lord truly did foretell the coming of his great latter-day prophet, Joseph Smith.2

1 How do we explain Revelation 22:18?

2 Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith]

All emphasis mine

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    A much more reasonable interpretation of Amos 8 begins at verse 9 with the sun going down at noon and darkness in the daytime, which happened as Jesus suffered from the sixth hour to the ninth hour. But before that 'day' (verse 9) there was to be a famine of the word of God, which happened from the days of Malachi until an angel appeared to Zechariah standing on the right side of the altar of incense as the people prayed outside. Thus the long famine was over - 400 years of darkness. Then the light came. I prefer this much more reasonable interpretation to what you suggest.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 17:40
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    @NigelJ reasonable is kind of subjective when talking about interpretation of scripture (I prefer my stated meaning). I'm assuming most of the scriptures I mentioned have alternate interpretations among other Christian denominations. Here is an article on the apostasy that has a few more biblical references.
    – depperm
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 17:51
  • All 4 Gospels, Matthew 3:1-3, Mark 1:2-4, Luke 3:4, and John 1:23 very clearly indicate that the prophesy of "a voice of one crying in the wilderness" in Isaiah 40 is definitively fulfilled in John the Baptist and not another. This then also incorporates Malachi 3. Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 12:43
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    @MikeBorden many Biblical prophesies are intended to have two or more "fulfilling" instances, particularly Isaiah's prophesies. John the Baptist is absolutely one fulfillment of that, though it is not unreasonable that there could be another later- or earlier- fulfillment of it as well
    – Taejang
    Commented Jul 30, 2021 at 13:54
  • It is unreasonable that the Lord would need the way prepared before Him another time because, when He comes again, it will be as a thief in the night and like lightening flashing from one end of the sky to another. Commented Jul 31, 2021 at 11:23

The question is not actually singling out the LDS faith, and my answer (while initially looking at some points given in one LDS answer here) includes all and every group that claims they have a unique God-ordained authority to be prophetic interpreters and teachers of congregations, with their pronouncements equal to what the Bible states.

I found the link given on why the LDS claims Joseph Smith had been prophesied in the Bible very helpful and refer to it now, quoted from George A. Horton, Jr :

“The Lord knew many “plain and precious things” would be lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13:28); therefore, he made provision to restore them. The Prophet Joseph Smith was “raised up” so that the Lord’s words could be “had again among the children of men—among as many as shall believe” (Moses 1:41). The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible is a direct fulfillment of that prophecy.”

The quotes following (in this article) are mainly from Joseph Smith’s annotated version of the KJV of the Bible! This is preposterous, for it is akin to claiming that “I have to tell you what the Bible really means, and that is why I have come out with my own translation that adds bits missing in the KJV and has notes explaining how this and that bit in the KJV really refer to me even though it never mentions me. I say it does, and here is my translation showing that it does.” An example in the article is given to supposedly support the Book of Mormon as modern revelation:

“Because many “plain and precious things” were lost from the Bible, it is probable that Ezekiel’s prophecy of the two “sticks” (see Ezek. 37:16–17) is but an echo of the patriarch Joseph’s earlier prophecy (see JST, Gen. 50:31). For more than a century, members of the Church have taught that these two “sticks” represent the Bible (the stick of Judah) and the Book of Mormon (the stick of Joseph or Ephraim).”

This is all back to front because Joseph Smith gives an interpretation of Ezekiel 37 that can only be found in his translation of the KJV Bible. Nobody reading the Bible would dream for a moment that Ezekiel 37 foretold the Book of Mormon (well, apart from Joseph Smith, obviously). Is this any different, really, to Schofield providing notes in his version of the Bible called The Schofield Bible, to interpret the Bible to suit his end-time predictions which he expounded in the 1800s? Adding notes to an existing translation is not producing a modern translation. It merely provides a modern interpretation. And the interpretation becomes so important to followers (as in the LDS faith, the Plymouth Brethren faith, the Jehovah’s Witness faith etc – all groups that have produced their own versions) that their denomination depends on those extra-biblical writings to uphold their claimed authority.

I am not picking on the LDS faith, because these points include ALL denominations that have produced their own Bible versions that can be seen to give support to some of their teachings that the Bible, in itself, does not supply. Be they groups that only have a few million baptised members, or a billion, the principle of Jude verse 3 holds good – “ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”. Past tense, note. The faith HAS been once delivered, and that alone is the faith Christians are to stick to.

Well, the minute any group produces a Bible that can be seen to support their recently-set-in-stone-doctrines that sola scriptura adherents protest came before their new translations, the principle in Jude vs 3 has been violated. When checking out groups that have a doctrine of the deity of the Godhead that is different to that revealed in the Bible, then it simply must be the case that ‘further revelation’ is being called upon, and invariably many comparatively modern groups claim their specially chosen leaders were given that understanding by God’s angel, or Holy Spirit, which only they were privileged to know and pass on. Then, when those leaders go on to claim that religions that don’t agree with their doctrine of Deity are either poor fools, or even satanically misled, we see why it is vital to stick to and stop at the biblical revelation of the Godhead.

“Truth is revealed, not imagined” wrote John Metcalfe. “And the Book of the Revelation is a book about how he will end the world, time, history, world religion, withal the heavens and the earth.” All we need to know is revealed in the Bible itself. We have quite enough to be getting on with therein, without reading the modern claims of those who say they had visions and further information so as to set up a new denomination in these latter days.

NOTE: In the first quote from that LDS article, the first quote in it is from the Book of Mormon, 1 Neh. referring to the First Book of Nephi, and not the Bible. The second quote in it is from the Book of Moses, which is not a Bible book either.

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    In regards to Jude 1:3, are you saying that at the time Jude was written, everything has been delivered to us/mankind needed for doctrine?
    – depperm
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 14:05
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    @depperm The faith of Christians, which is "the faith of Jesus Christ" (Rom 3:22) had been delivered to the apostles, which is why Acts 2:42 says of the Christians then that they "continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine". John was an apostle, and Jesus Christ gave him the final Revelation, so Jude's little epistle, written before then, did not say that "everything has been delivered to us" at that time. The Revelation did not give new doctrine about the Deity, but greater understanding of the immensity of the one God, to help Christians through dire times ahead.
    – Anne
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 14:44
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    The principle in Jude clearly shows that any teaching beyond what the apostles taught is anathema. When a Bible is produced with the intent of it bolstering a particular group's particular doctrine of Deity (that disagrees with the apostles' doctrine) that is anathema. Some groups claim their leaders are modern-day-apostles to get round what Jude states. Not all (who produce their own Bible versions) do that, but some do. I'm not going to debate whether there are modern-day heirs to the biblical apostleship, or not. That's for another question.
    – Anne
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 14:55
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    @Anne I edited the link as it was not embedded. I think it is as you would wish but please roll back if not.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 21, 2021 at 16:10
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    @Confutus This comment should have been made to myself under my question, I feel. Throughout their history the Jews failed to follow Jehovah (the reason for both the Assyrian captivity and the Babylonian captivity). I refer to the true Israel of God in stating 'amply persuaded' : the believing element, not the rejectors of the Messiah. They are not all Israel who are of Israel, as saith Paul the apostle.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Jul 22, 2021 at 4:23

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