I want to end abortion. I don't believe outlawing abortion will end abortion. I believe the best way to end abortion is to put in place a social safety net which encourages women keep their children knowing the government will provide pregnancy services, day care, etc. Statistics back me up here--countries where abortion is legal but the government provides services have the lowest abortion rates.

Can a Catholic or other Christian support ending abortion but not support outlawing abortion?

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    I'm all for ending abortion too! But I'm having a hard time finding determining exactly what the question is here. Are you asking whether the Catholic Church or Catholic organizations support keeping abortion legal while making it irrelevant by creating a utopia?
    – Peter Turner
    May 5 '21 at 20:07
  • FWIW, this is a good question because many places in the US at least, have a contingent that believes this, more-or-less, they're usually the ecumenical sort and then there's the hardliners who want to outlaw it. I would be interested in the answer because it seems like the out for many Democrat politicians facing excommunication.
    – Peter Turner
    May 5 '21 at 20:09
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    @PeterTurner, if you want to know the answer, then why did you delete my answer that contains factual information regarding the underlying origins of the abortion rates? If you disagree with the content, then please provide arguments.
    – Codosaur
    May 5 '21 at 20:18
  • Freedom to choose whether to become pregnant, and freedom to end the already existing pregnancy, are two different things. The law, Roman or otherwise, has never forced women to become pregnant.
    – Lucian
    May 5 '21 at 20:56
  • @PeterTurner, on my answer deleted by you, you responded to my question, but since that comment cannot be seen, I'll repeat it here: "This is a a wholly secular argument to the topic which is never topical. I deleted your post to prevent unnecessary disagreements from arising" - Could you please explain how in that case it is acceptable for you to make comments about a political party and not apply the same principle? How is your comment on a political party topical (especially since the OP dies not mention the US) but factual information on the causes for abortion is somehow not topical?
    – Codosaur
    May 6 '21 at 15:11

The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined.... As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.

CCC #2273

This seems to imply that a Catholic must support making abortion illegal, at least to be in good standing with the Catholic Church. Of course you can take a both and approach. I don't think Catholics are obliged not to support a social safety net for pregnant women. You can do that, while also supporting making abortion illegal.

  • @ Belinda - how do you make those wonderful blue vertical lines that denote a quote? Aug 15 '21 at 22:30
  • On the interface there should be a double quote. Getting the text in that should make the line.
    – Belinda
    Aug 17 '21 at 11:05

When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong. Ecc 8:11.

This Scripture passage means that if people are not punished for a crime, they are emboldened to commit that crime. This is Godly wisdom and common sense. Therefor it would be unreasonable to assume abortion can be stopped while still making it legal i.e., abortion clinics would still open for business and subsidized by government and easily accessible.

Many Safety nets are already provided by Medicaid, 2,700 Crisis Pregnancy Centers, many hundreds of free community health centers and a church on almost every corner in America that would be glad to help a pregnant mother. There are also Safe Haven Laws in all 50 states when a mother cannot care for her newborn she can leave the baby at the hospital, at any fire station or at any doctor’s office. Safety nets are important and we have them now and abortion is still flourishing. I would doubt the assertion that countries with legal abortion have fewer abortion. I have never seen that proven.

Abortion according to the Catholic Church intrinsically evil and is murder by the mother herself. It should never be made legal.

  • I agree. The "right to choose" is smoke and mirrors intended to obfuscate what is being chosen. Aug 12 '21 at 12:04

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