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To Peter Turner’s point A) Scripture is the source that says blood was necessary and that blood was sufficient, question revolves around why a Non-Trinitarian Jesus has sufficient worth to save mankind from sin of He is not God and therefore not infinitely valuable as God is.

For by a single offering (blood offering) he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:14‬ ‭

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“he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:12‬

To point B) this question is for non Trinitarians, if moderators require a more specific group, to Jehovah Witnesses. (Not for Modalist Non-Trinitarian)

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The OT foreshadowed a coming sacrifice through which sin would be purged and expunged

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭

Animal sacrifices were done in faith anticipating the future redemption of mankind

But why was Jesus’ death/blood sufficient?

If Jesus was merely a coequal to satan or of the same kind any other ‘angel’ as some claim, and NOT God incarnate (as Trinitarians say He is) then why is an angel incarnate a sufficient sacrificial lamb for the sins of mankind?

It is clear that prior to incarnation Jesus existed as a non “Adam” man, two texts, one is His own admission because the conversation was prior to the prepared body

“Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me;” “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:5‬,7 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:38‬

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“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, from eternity.”” ‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:2‬ ‭

If He is not God, as God the Father is God, but a created being on what basis is His sacrifice sufficient?

“But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent ( not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:11-14‬

Why is His blood sufficient if he is not the eternal God?

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  • Animals were used in substitution for sin as foreshadowing
  • One man could die for another man or take the punishment in substitution
  • Since when can an angel substitute the sins of all mankind? It would make sense if it were the eternal everlasting God but a created being makes no sense, humans are created, as are angels why is one angel worth all of mankind?
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This is from the perspective of Jehovah's Witnesses. A full explanation of Jesus' ransom sacrifice can be found in chapter 5 of the book, "What Can the Bible Teach Us?"

1 Corinthians 15:21, 22 (NWT)

For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.

Jesus' death is sufficient for redemption from sin on the basis that Jesus was a perfect man, without sin, just as Adam had been.

When Adam was created, he was perfect, but when he disobeyed God, he became sinful, selling himself and all his children to sin and death. (Romans 5:12; 7:14) In order for Jehovah God to have a legal basis to repurchase mankind, forgive sins, and restore humans to a perfect state with the opportunity to live forever, there must be a corresponding ransom to replace the life that Adam lost, one who lives their whole life without sin, obedient to God. (1 Tim. 2:5, 6; Romans 5:19) No descendent of Adam can serve as this ransom because we are all born sinful, imperfect. (Psalm 49:7, 8)

To provide the ransom, Jehovah miraculously caused one of his perfect spirit sons to come to earth as a human. (1 John 4:9; Luke 1:35) This was Jesus. Jesus remained obedient to God until death. Later, when Jesus returned to his Father in heaven, he presented the value of his perfect human life to Jehovah as the ransom. (Hebrews 9:24) Furthermore, Jesus disproved Satan's accusation that no human would remain obedient to God if that person was severely tested. (Job 1:9-11; Prov. 27:11)

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    @PeterTurner I didn’t argue with 4castle. I showed him that his analogy is not a good analogy. And it was TKOL who was arguing and asking me to be explain myself when I’m the one asking the question. I asked him to write an answer rather than chat in the comments
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According to Biblical Unitarians...

Jesus' death is sufficient because he is fulfilling prophecies that spoke of a man to come and not God or anything else. Ps 22 speaks of Jesus and he fulfilled this - reciting the first and last lines on the cross.

Gen 3:15 speaks of the seed of the woman - a human, revealed as the second and last Adam - another human. How could a second Adam be God? This is not expressed anywhere.

Isaiah 53 speaks of the suffering servant. A prophecy of the one to come.

  • He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground
  • He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
  • He was led like a lamb to the slaughter
  • For he was cut off from the land of the living
  • He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth
  • He has poured out His life unto death

There is no biblical precedent for Jesus' sacrifice/offering to be God. None! There IS a precedent for the offering to be without fault and blemish - this is driven home throughout the OT and affirmed in the NT. Lev 23:12, 9, Num 6:14

you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 1 Peter 1:18-

The foundation for a Jesus is God construct is based on an incarnation. This is an unbiblical idea not taught, believed, or spoken of in the entire bible. And so the whole idea of God having to die for our sins is also unbiblical - relying on suppositions and theories, opinions.

Psalm 2 points to this one who would be the son of God.

the LORD and against His Anointed, saying... 6“But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.” 7“I will announce the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have fathered You.

Jesus was without fault and spiritually perfect, being without sin - being the son of God and not with a human father which Paul shows is the means for inheriting a corrupted nature. (Adam was also a 'son of God' - was he God too?)

just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. Rom 5:12

death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. Rom 5:14

He could only be perfect - w/o sin, if he was born outside of the sin of Adam (Rom 5) which he was, as his Father was God, not Joseph. The whole deal of Jesus, the man, being foreknown by God and already 'slain' figuratively was always part of God's plan of redemption before the first sin happened. So he has appeared ‘in these last days’ (Heb 1) to begin accomplishing God's plan of salvation prophesied throughout the OT.

1 Pet 1:20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

IF Jesus was 'God' he couldn't be tempted as we are, able to sin as we do, or die as we do. He was raised to immortal life as all who believe in him will also be.

Quoting from Nigel in a comment:

The death of Jesus Christ, in redemption, is his departure from the body. The eternal Son cannot die.

What verse speaks of an 'eternal Son'? What verse speaks of 'departure from the body'? Being not from the bible, these ideas are foreign to the word of God and form the basis for all manner of strange beliefs.

As Isaiah describes in great detail - no "eternal Son" in view there - nor anywhere else!

Certainly we do have an eternal son now that Jesus is raised, exalted and given life by the Father - life he did not have before being 'mastered by/subject to' death Rom 6:9 and 1 Pet 3:18 "having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive in the spirit"

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the son also to have life in himself. John 5:26

When God 'gave His only son' He meant it! He didn't give 1/2 a son in a flimsy mock-up human sacrifice while an alleged eternal Son remained untouched by the whole ordeal.

As the last Adam, Jesus, being without sin, is perfectly sufficient to cover the sin of all men and to redeem his Father's creation from the results of Adam's sin and the adversary’s deception because all are included by God's grace.

Jesus’ death was sufficient because he was without sin... as Hebrews 10 sets out in abundant detail.

The consistent expression of ‘flesh’ and ‘blood’ are components of man, not God.

...we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Heb 10:10

Yet many seem to read, 'body of God' with an incarnation in mind.

Most probably understand the basics of OT sacrifice/worship. The priest could enter the Holy of Holies only once a year an behalf of the people of God. He had to thoroughly cleanse himself according to God's specific instructions. No one else could enter in - they would surely die! Even the priest would die if he did things wrong - Aaron's sons died because they didn't follow instructions carefully (Lev 10:1,2).

Jesus is now the High Priest - operating constantly for our well-being. His one sacrifice - for all people for all time, far supersedes the old model. He is perpetually clean because of the sinless life he lived in obedience to the Father's will.

Simply, there is NO need or precedent in scripture for God to somehow die. Jesus is presented as a man and a man only, born of Mary ~ 4BC. Anything other is conjecture and reading in that which is not there.

We have the moment when the veil was torn, as Jesus granted us access to the Father like never before (Matt 27:50). There is no more separate 'Holy of Holies' in a physical tabernacle - it is defunct.

Hebrews 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy place by the blood of Jesus.

Does God have blood to spill? Can a God/man hybrid with supposed two natures and two lives who is not described at all like this, except in the writings of man, be a worthy replacement for the scriptures that speak of a man only?

In the complete absence of scripture clearly expressing Jesus as God, but very persistently expressing him as a man and by the things he learnt, growing in wisdom and obedience, being tempted and dying - we can only responsibly and faithfully accept God's inspired version of truth and not a made-up version.

God has to accommodate the law. Sin = death. Sin is annulled when a death covers it. We can die for our own sins, but never get raised up again - ever. Jesus, foreknown by God before the world began, is the life that could be raised again, and we in him, because he was without sin.

He was foreknown before the foundation of the world 1Pet 1:20

Jesus is only worthy because he, as a man, was without sin. Having God w/o sin as a sacrifice is nonsensical. Of course God is so, but a man who had to resist the greatest of all temptation and NOT succumb - now THAT is something! No wonder god says, 'let all the angels worship him'!

Give him the honour he deserves and not strip him of his magnificent accomplishments by making him a God/man who could not fail, who could not sin and who could only 1/2 die!

Of course, God is without sin, and unable to be tempted or die - how then is Jesus tempted if he could not sin? He already said he came, ‘not to do my own will, but the will of God’ John 6:38. Having a differing will makes him clearly not God! How can God have two wills?


The odd construct that an 'angel' could suffice is nonsensical in that they would NOT be an 'Adam' as Jesus was. A man to battle the adversary (seed of a woman Gen 3:15) is a fair deal. For the devil to battle God is also nonsensical - it would be called a foul. God does not need to stack the deck - ever!

https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/why-did-jesus-have-to-suffer-and-die https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/in-the-book-of-revelation-god-is-not-the-lamb-and-the-lamb-is-not-god

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  • Please add quotes or references to authoritative Biblical Unitarian sources so that we can know this isn't just your personal opinion.
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    Jun 22, 2020 at 1:11
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    I’m asking on what basis was Jesus’ sacrifice sufficient. I’m not asking why you don’t believe Jesus can be God incarnate. Your answer As best as I can tell is because He was blameless and without sin. I can’t see how that would satisfy God’s wrath given if he were merely human he wouldn’t be worth more than one other mortal, certainly not all Creation. Appreciate your answer, maybe 4castle will get back to me on why Jesus was worth more than one person.
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    Jun 22, 2020 at 1:12
  • Where do you get 'worth' from? If you're just happy with making up your own parameters then you don't need a bible at all... If there IS 'worth', God has included that in the sinlessness, coupled with, a man had to be a second Adam.
    – steveowen
    Jun 22, 2020 at 1:43
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    @user48152 worth comes into play when purchasing comes into play. “And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased ηγορασας for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9‬ ‭
    – Autodidact
    Jun 22, 2020 at 2:08
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    yeah... like I said. It's one aspect, a result of maintaining a sinless life against all temptation. Succeeding where the 1st Adam failed. The 'worth' of an animal was it's 'perfection' as best as it could be by sight etc. Jesus was perfect to the core, to the very heart that God looked apon. THAT'S what made him worthy and sufficient. Jesus wouldn't have been worthy if he had failed.
    – steveowen
    Jun 22, 2020 at 2:13

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