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Some people say that the story of Noah and flood is false, because there simply wasn't enough water in the world to cover the entire earth in a flood. As it is written:

And the waters became mighty and increased greatly upon the land, and the ark went [gently floating] upon the surface of the waters.
And the waters prevailed so exceedingly and were so mighty upon the earth that all the high hills under the whole sky were covered.
[In fact] the waters became fifteen cubits higher, as the high hills were covered.
Genesis 7:18-20 (Amp)

What is the counter argument against this belief?

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    Many YECs will argue that the flood massively reshaped the earth, and thus "yes, if you start with a much flatter earth, and very different underwater shape". icr.org/article/520 However, it should be noted that geologists (except for a very very tiny minority) very much disagree. Not sure if this is an answer, though. May 14, 2012 at 19:10
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    Given that the Christian god is supposed to be omnipotent, not having enough water seems like an odd complaint.
    – hammar
    May 14, 2012 at 19:50
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    There's a middle ground there - there is a significant body of Christian/Jewish believers that don't take Genesis and Exodus (in particular) is a historical account, but as figurative. May 14, 2012 at 20:23
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    On topic image from Astronomy Picture of the Day.
    – Benjol
    May 16, 2012 at 4:49
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    Maybe it just covered what they knew as the whole earth? Maybe South America was not covered but they did not know about it?? May 17, 2012 at 20:03

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According to http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/SyedQadri.shtml, the total volume of the world's oceans is 1.3 to 1.5 billion cubic kilometers, which comes out to 310 to 360 million cubic miles. The surface area of the Earth is about 200 million square miles. So if the Earth was a perfect sphere, with no mountains, no valleys, no ocean trenches, the water would cover the surface about 1.7 miles deep.

There's water in the ice caps, underground, and in the atmosphere. Perhaps all this water was on the surface during the Flood. But by most calculations this is a relatively small percentage -- hydrologic scientists generally say that 97% of the world's water is in the oceans, 2% in the ice caps, 1% underground, and lakes a rivers a tiny fraction of 1%. So unless there's some very large unknown water reserve -- underground, I suppose -- adding these things in wouldn't change the 1.7 miles much.

Of course the world does have mountains and valleys, so some places are above the water level and others below. The highest mountain is of course Mt Everest, which is 6 miles high. The lowest point is the Marianas trench, 7 miles deep.

So the most obvious scenario for a Flood to cover the whole world is that the mountains before the Flood were smaller than today and the trenches not as deep. If the highest mountains were 1/4 the height today, then they would all be covered by water.

Creation theorists generally suggest that the Flood caused major geological upheavals including relatively rapid movement of the Eartth's tectonics plates, resulting in mountain formation. That is, they say that the high mountains in the world today were formed during the Flood. Of course for the world to not be covered in water before the Flood, the amount of water in the oceans would have had to have been smaller. Genesis mentions water coming from both rain and "the fountains of the deep". The theory generally calls for more water vapor in the air in the form of a large vapor canopy, and also more water underground.

So ther's plenty of water if only the Earth was more nearly spherical before the Flood.

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    As they say: "big if" :)
    – Benjol
    May 15, 2012 at 9:55
  • Excellent answer, and great research effort! Thanks. +1
    – Jas 3.1
    May 15, 2012 at 17:00
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    Of course an amount of water that covered the earth for 2+ miles could have "disappeared" when the waters receded by factors such as an enlargement of the total area covered by oceans, the deepening of ocean basins, and freezing of the polar regions.
    – user19845
    Jul 10, 2016 at 20:01
  • Just to clarify the numbers above, enough water to cover a perfectly flat Earth to a depth of 1.7 miles is enough to cover a uniformly random Earth to a maximum depth of ~3.4 miles. So, a maximum difference in elevation of ~2-3 miles is very plausible.
    – Matthew
    Sep 17, 2021 at 16:27
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Gen. 8:2-5 talks about the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens closing, and the waters receding and diminishing anyway. You would expect a natural flood to either drain into the earth—but the "fountains of the deep" were closed, so the water could not leave that way—or dissipate by evaporation—but the "windows of the heavens" were closed, so it couldn't leave that way, either.

The text seems to require pairing the miraculous appearance of water (the Flood) with the miraculous disappearance of the same water afterwards. In this case the question of whether there is enough water in the world now to cover it is moot.

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    Interesting. So this view is that water supernaturally appeared and then supernaturally disappeared. I tend to lean toward Jay's explanation, but who am I to say it couldn't have been supernatural... there were a number of supernatural (post-creation) events recorded in scripture. Although I disagree with you, I do think it is useful to consider this possibility, as it is a good reminder that we should start with what we know (the word of God is true) and restrict our speculations to being within those bounds. (2 Cor 10:5) +1
    – Jas 3.1
    May 15, 2012 at 17:08
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    @Jas3.1 I mainly offer it as a suggestion based on the text itself. My personal opinion lately has been that the parallels between the Creation and the Flood suggest that the latter is actually in itself a new Creation. In that mindset, the recession of the Flood waters would be like the Creation's "let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear"—this also requires a miracle when water is already covering the whole earth as, ordinarily, water just doesn't gather that way.
    – Muke Tever
    May 16, 2012 at 1:47
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Was there enough water in the world to cover the earth?

The ancient geology according to the Bible is rather interesting.

There was enough of an elevation differential for rivers to flow.

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Rain was not needed.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

There were "mountains"

Genesis 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

The flood itself involved waters "from the deep" as well as "the heavens".

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Some have suggested that the "fountains of the deep" were released via a rupture of the Atlantic seafloor. This water under the pressure of the overlaying seabed would jet very high into the atmosphere if it were released at one time. This could account for how mammoths were flash frozen with tropical flowers still in their stomachs.

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Such an upheaval on the surface of the earth could have resulted mountains raised high enough so that they were much higher than they were previously.

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Onr popular theory is Dr Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory.

The basic premise of the theory is that most of the land was gathered together at one place. There were mountains, but perhaps 3,000 or 7,000 feet tall. At this altitude, there would be more than enough water to cover the entire Earth, considering the water both beneath the crust of the Earth and in the atmosphere.

When the flood occurred, and the "fountains of the deep" were opened, the mid-Atlantic ridge ripped open "like the seam of a baseball", and the water beneath the plate shot upward at supersonic speed. As the land eroded quickly at the seam, the mantle beneath began to bulge upwards, creating the mid-Atlantic ridge.

The plates, lubricated by the water beneath them, slid (the whole continent), reaching speads upwards of 45 miles per hour. When they reached near their current position, they encountered resistance, and the plates buckled, forcing them upwards in places such as the Rocky Mountains on America's West coast.

Dr. Walt Brown goes into much more detail on his site, with the full contents of his online book available to read or obtain a hard-copy.

The positives of his approach is that it systematically explains a very large number of natural phenomenea particular to our present Earth, including the fossil record, the different strata, the mid-Atlantic ridge, the mountain ranges, volcanos, asteroids and comets, and several high plateaus (including the Colorado Plateau), as well as many other features. He details his findings quite well, coming from a military career with degrees in Mechanical Engineering to back up his findings. He presents a strong case for a global flood.

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I think discounting underground water reserves is folly. I work in the oil/gas industry testing recovered hydrocarbons (oils, gases, condensates) and various fluids mixtures (natural waters, pumped KCL water, pumped frac oils, pumped acids and other various pumped chemicals for viscosity or inhibition) for content, quality, and velocity, or how much force on surface the reserve has. Usually we deal only with 5,000-10,000 psi wells, but there occasionally are wells with greater pressures on surface, and I've seen some of the bottom-hole pressures at upwards of 70,000 psi on the frac crew equipment) after a gas or oil well has been drilled (However, sometimes they contain just water [called dud wells, as are ones that turn out incredibly lower pressures or content than predicted, and consequently are an oil companies nightmare considering the huge costs to explore, prep, dig, complete, and then maybe abandon the well]). We can only (fairly) accurately see with seismic to about a depth of 7 kilometers. I worked on an exploration well where we went to that depth drilling. It was the only well I've personally worked on that was nearly over 15,000 psi working pressure. A very hairy job, watching 3 inch thick iron pipe [many thousands of pounds of weight] jump around on the ground like it was going to pull itself apart while we flowed it back). I've read of experimental holes dug for scientific purpose up to about twice that depth, so around 14 kilometers.

To put that into perspective:

"Earth's mantle extends to a depth of 2,890 km, making it the thickest layer of Earth."

We can visually "see" what is underground using seismic equipment to about 7km, that gives us a fairly accurate picture for 7k of 2,890km or 0.0024% of the the mantle depth.

Also, we have gone to about 14km of 2,890km, or 0.0048% of the depth.

Seems like hubris, or just plain ignorance, to automatically assume we have a good grasp of just how much water is in there. There may still be plenty of pockets, or aquifers yet undiscovered.

Also keep in mind things react differently, even unexpectedly, under some of the extreme underground pressures. We see this all the time in flowing wells. And water underground begin squashed down by tens of thousands of pounds-per-square-inch of pressure isn't the same as water sitting on the surface at atmospheric pressure, first thing it does when it hits surface if mixed with the right combinations of gas/oil is turn to tons of foam. We have to pump tons of inhibitors and/or diesel (diesel helps cut foam and is easier/cheaper than foam inhibitors) to keep from blowing it out the flare-stacks, down the pipeline, our out the 400bbls. It's a real pain, especially when the frac process pumps CO2 to fracture a well (think shaking a can of soda, heating it to 60 degress celcius [140 degrees for Americans], then opening it fast).

Finally, there are also strange occurrences that just go against the norm when dealing with the depths of the earth. We work through it and get the gas/oil, but even the engineers get stumped by some of the ways the wells behave, some of the odd mixtures of fluids/gasses we recover, or by the science going wrong and giving us dud wells when everything pointed to real 'screamers'.

Anybody putting their faith strictly in science is destined to be let down, that's the only constant scientific fact.

In the end, scientists are just people, and science is just ideas people have based on the current information available, and later on others will change those ideas by new information that comes along, and proves the earlier scientists were either dead wrong, or just didn't have another piece of what will always remain an incomplete and infinite puzzle.

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  • Welcome to the site. We're glad you're here. Thank you for this information. I realize it is 1st hand information, but it would be better if you could source some of it, specifically, the depth of Earth's mantle and the deepest well ever dug, etc. You can click edit at the bottom and to the left of your post to add that in.
    – user3961
    May 28, 2015 at 17:06
  • Welcome to Christianity.SE! Your answer is interesting, but it seems mostly to be an argument from ignorance: "We just don't know." Those are fairly weak arguments. It would be better if you offered at least some estimates of how much water scientists think may be under the crust of the earth. Otherwise the answer doesn't provide much information that's relevant and useful in answering the question. If you know of some Christian church or group that actually promulgates this as an answer to the question, that would also make it more relevant. Jun 1, 2015 at 14:06
  • See this article for a discussion of Ringwoodite, a polymorph of olivine, which can contain up to 2% water by weight. There is evidence that down deep in the mantle, a layer of Ringwoodite contains as much water as all the world's oceans. answersingenesis.org/geology/rocks-and-minerals/… Jul 11, 2016 at 13:06
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  1. The current estimate of the amount of water on the surface of the earth is about 1.3 to 1.5 billion cubic kilo-meters http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/SyedQadri.shtml
  2. We recently found out there may be up to 3 times more water under the earth https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface
  3. This leaves us with a possible (again we are dealing with very theoretical numbers) 5.2 - 6 billion cubic kilo-meters of possible water.

How much water do we need to cover the surface if the current earth?

  1. THIS IS NOT MY MATH, took this from a forum--if someone has a better number pass it on A good approximation for the radius of the Earth at sea level is 3960 miles. VEarth at sea level=4/3 pi r^3 = 260,120,252,602.5 cubic miles, approx. Everest is about 5.5 miles above sea level, so we add that to the average sea level for a radius of 3965.5 miles, approximately- VEarth completely flooded=4/3 pi r^3 = ~261,205,593,010.8 cubic miles. Subtracting the first volume from the second, we get 1,085,340,408.3 cubic miles.
  2. 1,085,340,408.3 cubic miles to cubic Kilo-meters = 4523896164.29169 cubic Kilo-meters

An estimated 4.5 billion cubic Kilo-meters more water from sea level is needed, we have an estimated 5.2 - 6 billion cubic kilo-meters total water available.

Current water (1.3 to 1.5) + water needed (4.5) = We need a total of 5.8 to 6 billion cubic kilo-meters of water to flood the earth.

We have 5.2 to to 6 billion cubic kilo-meters of water available

Superduper theoretically... we have enough water on and in the earth and don't need to invoke pseudoscience.

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Orthodox Christian monk and former philosopher Seraphim Rose addressed this question in his book, Genesis, Creation, and Early Man. Abbot Damascene, who edited the 2nd edition of the book, comments (p. 408):

That the Flood was universal is witnessed by the vast extent of sedimentary deposits (formed by aqueous action) over what is today dry land. O.D. von Engeln and Kenneth E. Caster, in their book Geology (p. 129), write: "About three-fourths, perhaps more, of the land area of the earth, 55 million square miles, has sedimentary rock as the bedrock at the surface or directly under the cover of mantle-rock ... The thickness of the stratified rocks ranges from a few feet to 40,000 feet or more at any one place ... The vast bulk of the stratified rocks is composed of shallow water deposits."

Monk Seraphim himself writes:

The questions of what mountains were before the Flood and how high the Flood rose cannot be solved conclusively, because it is very likely the cataclysm was so extreme that the whole earth was quite different then. All the mountains may have risen up at that time. Entirely different geographical and geological features would have been created. Those people who accept the idea of the Flood in their studies of geology - like Henry Morris, in The Genesis Flood - say that most of the layers were formed during and right after the time of the Flood, not over millions of years. Read the book.

I would also add that the fact that native peoples from every continent in the world (except Antarctica) have some sort of mythological recollection of a great flood having occurred in their region strongly suggests that the Flood, if it did occur, was global and not local.

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