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Is faith through Jesus Christ without baptism enough for salvation? According to the bible, “without faith, it is hard to please God”. If someone at a young age whose been baptised didn’t have faith when they reach maturity, would this cancel out the grace of salvation through baptism? Would this also be the same for those who have faith but without baptism?

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  • What research have you done in this regard? – Ken Graham Jan 13 at 22:03
  • I didn’t do any research. It just came up to my mind. I know some catechism teaching but my mind is arguing about salvation and baptism because if you have already faith but not baptised would this not enough when a person didn’t have a chance to be baptised and died? – Kaylee A Jan 13 at 22:17
  • @KayleeA FYI, failing to do any research is a reason for closing/deleting questions on this website. – Peter Turner Jan 14 at 14:10
  • @Peter Did you mean it's not a reason? We often downvote unresearches questions, but I don't really remember questions ever being closed for not showing research. (This site does not have the problems of English Language & Usage in that regard.) – curiousdannii Jan 14 at 14:30
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    @curiousdannii hmm, I think it used to be a reason, a long time ago. Oh well, it's not a rote reason, but it is a reason. I'm responding to the comment, I think the question is OK. But for kaylee's benefit, it would be good to do some research first before asking questions - especially if they turn into discussions. – Peter Turner Jan 14 at 14:35
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Is faith through Jesus Christ without baptism enough for salvation?

Regarding baptism of desire, let the Catechism of the Catholic Church speak for itself:

1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.65 In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature,"68 member of Christ and coheir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit.

Thus infant who are baptized have been free from original sin and have become a new creature in the eyes of the Church and of God.

Babies that die after baptism are in heaven and their salvation in not in question:

1279 The fruit of Baptism, or baptismal grace, is a rich reality that includes forgiveness of original sin and all personal sins, birth into the new life by which man becomes an adoptive son of the Father, a member of Christ and a temple of the Holy Spirit. By this very fact the person baptized is incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ, and made a sharer in the priesthood of Christ.

1280 Baptism imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual sign, the character, which consecrates the baptized person for Christian worship. Because of the character Baptism cannot be repeated (cf. DS 1609 and DS 1624).

1281 Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized (cf. LG 16).

1282 Since the earliest times, Baptism has been administered to children, for it is a grace and a gift of God that does not presuppose any human merit; children are baptized in the faith of the Church. Entry into Christian life gives access to true freedom.

1283 With respect to children who have died without Baptism, the liturgy of the Church invites us to trust in God's mercy and to pray for their salvation.

1284 In case of necessity, any person can baptize provided that he have the intention of doing that which the Church does and provided that he pours water on the candidate's head while saying: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

  • I noticed Mr. Graham that you left out #1257? "The Lord himself affirms Baptism is necessary for salvation." So I have a question from Acts 10:43-48, it concerns a man named "Cornelius," who was a Roman centurion. Vs43, Of Him/Jesus Christ all the prophets bear witness that through His name receives forgiveness of sins. vs44, While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. vs45, And all the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because (or why?) the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Genti – Mr. Bond Jan 14 at 0:22
  • Before it is removed have a look at the challenge mr bond makes in his “answer” to your answer. – Kris Jan 14 at 1:29
  • So far so good about your Baptism reference but need more to expound the faith in relation to baptism. – Kaylee A Jan 14 at 7:22
  • I will accept this answer as it is the best among the rest. – Kaylee A Jan 14 at 7:22
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    @Mr.Bond, you might need to raise it as a separate question. – Kaylee A Jan 14 at 20:10
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Baptism is necessary for salvation.

Scriptural teaching that baptism is, for salvation, a

necessity of means

John 3:5:

Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mk. 16:16:

He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

necessity of precept

Mt. 28:19:

Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Magisterial teaching

The Council of Trent defined this de fide dogma of the necessity of baptism in its session 7 canon 5:

If anyone shall say that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema.
Si quis dixerit, baptismum liberum esse, hoc est non necessarium ad salutem, A.S.

The types of baptism

  1. Water baptism
  2. Baptism of desire
  3. Baptism of blood
  • Does baptisms supersede faith? Or do they weigh of equal importance? I appreciate your great effort in providing reference. – Kaylee A Jan 14 at 20:18
  • @KayleeA Faith is required: "He that believeth [i.e., has faith] and is baptized, shall be saved" (Mk. 16:16). – Geremia Jan 15 at 4:15
  • @KayleeA To summarize, in Catholicism, sacrament of baptism is valid only with faith. For infant baptism, the parents's faith suffice. But if you lose your salvation by maturity because of mortal sin, you don't need to be rebaptized but go to sacrament of reconciliation. Baptism of desire / blood are exceptions (for unbaptized person in danger of dying before the proper sacrament can be administered); so only for them the effect of baptism can be acquired without the sacrament, thus the name "of desire" and "of blood" (no water). The availability of exception doesn't make it optional ! – GratefulDisciple 2 days ago
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According to Catholicism can one be saved without being water baptized? The Catholic Catechism says,

Baptism is birth into new life in Christ. In accordance with the Lord's will, it is necessary for salvation. As is the Church herself which we enter by baptism.

CCC 1277

The Apostle Paul makes known the gospel under the influence of the Holy Spirit and the Lord's will the following at:

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Since this is the gospel of Jesus Christ whereby one is saved, how is it that water baptism is not mentioned? The catechism (#1277) clearly states it's the Lord's will that water baptism is necessary for salvation.

  • This question is asked for from a Catholic perspective and as such should reflect Catholic teachings and not just a half answer. The Church acknowledges exceptions in regards to baptism as the Catechism states. – Ken Graham Jan 15 at 1:07
  • No matter how I ask a question it's unsatisfactory. The catechism says water baptism is necessary for salvation and it's the Lord's will. The Apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.explains the "gospel" and water baptism is not mentioned. Paul even mentions at 1 Corinthians 1:14, "I thank God that I did not baptize any of you etc. I am not Catholic and I also know your church has an answer for everything even if it's outright contrary to Biblical theology. The Bible does not contradict itself and verses that "seem" to contradict themselves can be reconciled. God's word is truth, not opinions. – Mr. Bond Jan 15 at 1:38
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    Please do not get me wrong your answer is good. It is just not complete. In order to understand the question at hand, one has to truly comprehend the whole body of the question. Unfortunately, also is the fact that revisions or edit in effect alter the original post. This seems to be happening more so lately. – Ken Graham Jan 15 at 2:00
  • Thanks Mr. Graham, I will address the posters question directly in due time. – Mr. Bond Jan 15 at 3:03
  • @Mr.Bond, it is the Lord’s “will” because Our Lord Himself batized the people. Baptism is to clean our sin for our salvation. 1 Peter 3:21 RHE 21 Whereunto baptism, being of the like form, now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but, the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. John 3:22 John 3:26 26. And they came to John and said to him: Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou gavest testimony: behold, he baptizeth and all men come to him. – Kaylee A Jan 15 at 3:29

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