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A gay pride rainbow flag flies along with the U.S. flag in front of the Asbury United Methodist Church in Prairie Village, Kan., on April 19, 2019. United Methodist Church leaders are proposing the creation of a separate division that would let more traditional denominations break away because of the disagreement with churches over the UMC’s official stance on gay marriage. AP FILE.
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What arguments do traditional UMC leaders make for separating themselves from the church over its stance on gay marriage?

  • Doesn't sound like UMC leaders are proposing separating themselves, but instead a way to let the traditional congregations separate. – curiousdannii Jan 5 at 1:55
  • What kind of answers are you looking for here? The specific legal details of how a denomination can split? Arguments about why splitting in general should be okay (in which case has the UMC ever said that it shouldn't be split? What makes this a big deal?) Arguments about why gay marriage is an issue that is worth splitting over? – curiousdannii Jan 5 at 1:57
  • If the Book of Resolutions is not changed in order to allow ministers to celebrate homosexual unions, then why should the Traditionalists be forced into separating from the main body? – Lesley Jan 6 at 8:52
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The reason why traditional UMC leaders want to separate themselves from the church over its stance on gay marriage is based on the traditional and historic position of the church which views the practice of homosexuality as incompatible with Christian teaching. Here are extracts from a couple of articles on the subject:

As stated in the Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church, the United Methodist Church holds that "homosexual persons no less than heterosexual persons are individuals of sacred worth." In other words, all individuals are of worth to God. Nevertheless, in keeping with historic Church teaching, it considers the "practice of homosexuality [to be] incompatible with Christian teaching,"

The third plan, called the Traditional Plan, would reinforce the existing language in the Book of Discipline prohibiting homosexuality, gay marriage ceremonies on church campuses, and allow for stricter enforcement of violations of existing church law. On February 26, 2019, during a special session of the General Conference, delegates from around the world voted to pass the Traditional Plan... In January 2020, a 16-person committee of bishops and other official submitted to the General Conference a schism proposal for the creation of a new separated "traditional Methodist" denomination, a text that still needs to be approved by the conference in May. By default, any parish will be set as a member of the United Methodist Church (UMC) and would have to conduct votes in order to enter in the new-born communion of the more conservative Methodists. Source: United Methodist Church (Wikipedia)

EDIT: Here is an extract from an official UMC article based on the 2008 Book of Resolutions asking: What is the denomination's position on homosexuality? Regarding clergy:

¶ 304.3 While persons set apart by the Church for ordained ministry are subject to all the frailties of the human condition and the pressures of society, they are required to maintain the highest standards of holy living in the world. The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching. Therefore self-avowed practicing homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates, ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in The United Methodist Church.

¶ 341.6 Ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions shall not be conducted by our ministers and shall not be conducted in our churches. Source: https://archive.is/20121209051506/http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1324

The latest update on the situation suggests that a new “traditional Methodist” denomination is to be formed:

January 3, 2020 (Life Site News) – The United Methodist Church (UMC) announced Friday it will be dealing with ongoing divisions over homosexuality by formally splitting, with the formation of a new denomination for Methodists who hold to a Biblical understanding of sex and marriage. The church has been divided over the issues of same-sex “marriage” and homosexual clergy, with its General Conference voting in February against compromising its opposition. Tensions have continued since, however, and on Friday the church announced the formation of a new “traditional Methodist” denomination for more conservative Methodists, the New York Times reports. Source: BREAKING: United Methodist Church officially splits over gay ‘marriage,’ clergy

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  • I wonder if the C of E will follow suit and do the same . . . . – Nigel J Jan 8 at 2:53
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    @Nigel J - I understand that both the Church of England and the Church of Scotland are in favour of same-sex unions. As a result, many of their clergy and laity have voted with their feet. – Lesley Jan 8 at 15:53

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