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In Luke 15, Jesus gives one parable of a man that lost 1/100 sheep, and rejoiced when that sheep was found. And another parable of a woman who lost 1/10 silver coins, and rejoices much when she finds her lost coin.

In order for something to be "lost", it must be in one's possession at some point beforehand; and these parables confirm that in the sense of salvation. So, in regards to this, I have a two part question: Will all that are "lost" be saved? And in what sense were we previously in the Father's possession? Is there any scripture that talks about this?

I know my 2nd question could mean those who had previously come to God, but have fallen away, and came to God again, but I think He is particularly talking about those who have not yet come to God. I think this could be clarified when Jesus says He came to seek that which was lost in relation to a Chief tax collector.

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    why are all the fun questions asked when i'm in class :( Commented May 3, 2012 at 17:39
  • hey, I'm at work :p Commented May 3, 2012 at 17:40
  • Yeah, but I actually have to pay attention to what i'm doing. :) Commented May 3, 2012 at 17:42
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    I think you are taking the idea of lost too literally. The sheep went astray and was found. I think a verses that you may need to consider are John 6:37 and John 10:29 Commented May 3, 2012 at 17:42
  • @DoubtingThomas me too. Problem is I work from home and it is super easy to be distracted by questions like this one. Commented May 3, 2012 at 17:52

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Christ's parables can be dangerous to interpret outside of the interpretation given in the context. In almost every case there is one thing taught in a parable and everything else is just filler. The term "parable" can be loosely translated "to throw alongside", the idea is that a story is thrown alongside a single truth. In this context the teaching is:

Luke 15:10 There is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

I do not believe that the 99 or the 9 can be tied to any specific group. What Christ is teaching is that even the most "insignificant" sinner is worth everything in the eyes of God.

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    for the record, I noticed you used code ticks to format your quote - in case you weren't aware, there's actually a blockquote formatting trick for markdown. You can select the text and press Control-Q Commented May 3, 2012 at 22:12
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+1 Very good question.

Who are the sheep?

Matthew 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

So the sheep are those who hear the voice of Jesus and follow him. So "sheep" cannot refer to those who have not yet come to God. Also, when Jesus said that he came "to seek and to save the lost", he, in all likelihood, was referring to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

The chief tax collector, was himself a Jew and every Jew was part of the house of Israel. He was "lost" in the sense that he was a sinner. So Jesus' statement doesn't mean those people who have not yet come to God.

Will all the lost sheep be saved?

Yes, if we understand "sheep" correctly. Now, I mentioned that the sheep are those who hear the voice of Jesus and follow him. Now, in the original Greek, the words used in that quote are in the present tense. This means that the statement could be better understood as follows-

My sheep continue to hear my voice, I continue to know them, and they continue to follow me

So then, the sheep are those who continue to follow Jesus throughout their life. There are others, who after getting "saved" (i.e. freed from sins, because salvation = freedom from sins (Matthew 1:21) ), suffer a shipwreck in their faith (1 Tim 1:19) and no longer follow Christ. There are still others, who "endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away" (Mark 4:17). These are not the ones who continue to follow Jesus and therefore, they would not be regarded as his sheep.

So note that while a sheep is someone who gets salvation from sins, not everyone who experiences salvation from sins is a sheep! We shall know only at the end of our lives whether we have been sheep or goats (Matthew 25:32). Till then, we can hope that we shall continue to follow him. His grace is always available to us.

Hope this helps!

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  • This definitely helps. Only thing I would argue is that we can't tell in this parable if Jesus is referring to "the lost sheep of Israel" or just literal sheep (since He also gives the same parable using plain coins). But if the tax guy was a Jew, and in light of Matt 15:24, that could definitely be what he meant. Thanks :) Commented May 11, 2012 at 0:28
  • 'So "sheep" cannot refer to those who have not yet come to God'.. what nonsense reasoning is this?? -1. When Jesus told some pharisees "You do not believe because you are not my sheep" he was refering to his elect, both before and after they have believed. Exactly the same with "My sheep hear my voice and they follow me". With the parable of the lost sheep, the emphasis is on one lost sheep, not on the 99. The 99 feel righteous enough already: there is no evidence they are either saved or elect. Commented Apr 22 at 10:42
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Will all that are lost be saved?

No.

The Savior speaks of His apostles in John 17:12:

Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. (John 17:7-19)

Here we have three categories:

  1. Those whom the Father gave to Jesus and remained with Him
  2. Those whom the Father did not give to Jesus
  3. The son(s) of perdition.

Thus it appears to be possible that there are those who are lost, who will not be saved, either because they do not come unto Christ in the first place, or because they came unto Christ but subsequently betrayed Him and thus became the son of perdition. Apart from this, the Savior's statement is remarkably inclusive: That of those whom the Father gave to the Son, none are lost, except for the Son of Perdition.

This is repeated multiple times in John's testimony:

And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." (John 6:39)

Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. (John 18:8-9)

Who besides the original apostles of Jesus, who did not betray Him, might qualify to be saved?

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (John 17:20-22)

In this context, it is clear that the Lord will save all who believe in Him and do not subsequently rebel against Him nor betray Him.

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