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From this link:

It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation.

If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.

And this link:

At that moment, the world will have no born-again believers anywhere.


Does it mean there will be no more of God's elect?

I mean something like this :
Before the creation, God has 100 elects, humans who will be in heaven.
Not one of the 100 elects will taste the tribulation.

Matthew 24:31
And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

80 elects already died before the Rapture. The rest, 20 elects are raptured.
No more the elect, no more believer to the rest of the future after the Rapture, before the Millennial Kingdom.

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Most Reformed/Calvinist churches are Amillennial.1 For Amillennials the "millennium" is a symbol for the entire church age, and there is no single time which we could call the "Great Tribulation". Instead there will be times of tribulation throughout this age. The second coming of Jesus is not seen as a complex multi-part event like the pre- and mid-tribulationists do, but just a single time of Jesus' return, the resurrection of the dead, and judgement.


1 The exceptions would generally be Reformed Baptists, who are often Premillennial, but could also be postmillennial. Amongst the Reformed Baptists there's probably lots of diversity about the Tribulation; it is not a clear dividing doctrine unlike credobaptism or Reformed Theology's doctrine of salvation.

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    Reformed Baptist Amil here. Most of your premil folks are going to be graduates of John MacArthur’s seminary. I’m not aware of any confessional premil reformed Baptists - just ambiguously Baptist and Calvinistic dispensational MacArthur clones. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:00
  • @ThomasMarkov I don't know how you would classify him, but John Piper is a solid Reformed guy who is premill without being dispensational. – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:20
  • Ah yes, forgot about Piper. Thanks for the mention. Though, I’d use “Reformed” pretty narrowly. Piper is certainly Calvinist, but I wouldn’t call him Reformed, I’d reserve that for those who are confessional. But that’s just me and my preference for words. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:22
  • @Thomas Ah, yes some others on this site also distinguish the terms that way. Reformed and Calvinist are pretty much synonyms for me. So if someone signed up fully to the London Baptist Confession would that count as confessional and therefore Reformed to you? (I'm sure I've seen more than just Piper too, just can't remember them right now.) – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:24
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    @curiousdannii, oh sorry about that. Oke, I will make a new question. Thank you for the editing. – karma Nov 28 '19 at 3:14
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Many Calvinists reject dispensational premillennialism, so for them your question doesn’t even make sense.

Eschatology and soteriology can often develop independently of one another, so you’re not going to find a good answer to your question. Your best bet is to study the various eschatological views often held by Calvinists, which include Dispensational Premillenialism, Postmillenialism, and Amillenialism.

  • I didn't think there are very many Dispensational Calvinists at all, at least I don't really know of many. I think more would be historical premillennials, or closer to the views of New Covenant Theology. – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:03
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    Charles Ryrie was a four pointer (Amyrauldian). His work on sovereignty is thoroughly Calvinistic. And these days, John MacArthur, one of Calvinists outspoken champions is full blown dispensational. Because of Ryrie’s influence even now there are Calvinists coming out of Dallas, and John MacArthur’s school turns out hundreds of dispy Calvinists every year. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:08
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    @ThomasMarkov, thank you for the information. The quotes in my question is from GotQuestion site which I thought it's Calvinist. From your answer, now I know that there are more than one version among the Calvinist regarding my question. Thank you for your answer. – karma Nov 27 '19 at 16:29
  • @karma I noticed you have lots of questions about reformed theology, if you would like to chat more regularly you can reach me on reddit at u/thomasmarkov – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 16:36
  • @ThomasMarkov, I'm sorry as I can't reach you on reddit as reddit is blocked by all the cellular providers in my country. Anyway, thank you for the offer, Thomas. – karma Nov 28 '19 at 3:16
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Got Questions is not a Calvinistic Protestant denomination. The views expressed in that article about the series of ‘Left Behind’ novels and films is not Calvinistic. Got Questions is a Christian ministry that uses the Internet to spread the gospel. Got Questions supports the pre-tribulational position and upholds the view that the events in Revelation should be interpreted literally and consistently and that “the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.”

From what I understand from their site they take a Messianic approach whereby the rapture of God’s people on earth happens before Christ Jesus descends from heaven to literally sit on a throne in Jerusalem to rule the world for a literal thousand years.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32–33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/millennium.html

They also believe that will result in a new temple in Jerusalem with a priesthood who will offer literal animal sacrifices.

Most premillennial scholars agree that the purpose of animal sacrifice during the millennial kingdom is memorial in nature. As the Lord’s Supper is a reminder of the death of Christ to the Church today, animal sacrifices will be a reminder during the millennial kingdom. To those born during the millennial kingdom, animal sacrifices will again be an object lesson. During that future time, righteousness and holiness will prevail, but those with earthly bodies will still have a sin nature, and there will be a need to teach about how offensive sin is to a holy and righteous God. Animal sacrifices will serve that purpose, "but in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year" (Hebrews 10:3). Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-sacrifices.html

However, Got Questions admits that the pre-tribulation view has flaws:

One perceived weakness of pretribulationism is its relatively recent development as a church doctrine, not having been formulated in detail until the early 1800s. Another weakness is that pretribulationism splits the return of Jesus Christ into two “phases”—the Rapture and the Second Coming—whereas the Bible does not clearly delineate any such phases. Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/pretribulationism.html

Are all the elect raptured before the Tribulation, according to Calvinists? Herein lies the danger of sticking labels onto Christians, especially when it comes to “Calvinists”. The views expressed by Got Questions are not necessarily the views held by most Christians who identify with Calvinism. The views expressed by Got Questions support a pre-tribulation rapture and a literal thousand year reign of Christ on earth. This is not based on “Calvinism”.

Calvin said the elect are kept, in faith, by the almighty power of God. The doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints, or the Security of Believers, shows how the elect who are set apart by the Spirit and persevere to the end – those who are given true, living faith in Christ – are secure and safe in Him. They have been sealed with the Holy Spirit and have been given the guarantee of their salvation. Calvin had nothing to say about the elect being raptured prior to the Tribulation. Here are some Bible verses used in the book “The Five Points of Calvinism Defined, Defended, Documented –by David N. Steele and Curtis C. Thomas, pp 56-60 (published 1963):

I do not pray that thou should take them out of the world, but that thou should keep them from the evil one (John 17:15).

Since therefore we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-10).

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, ‘For thy sake we are being killed all day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered” (Romans 8:35-39).

Were those first Christian saints, those of the elect, spared from trials and tribulations? No, they were not. Since the Church Age began (with the ascension of Christ Jesus to heaven) till Christ returns, with the angels, God’s people will continue to be persecuted and experience hardships. The promise is that the saints will be preserved, that they will not have to face the judgment of God. There is no mention of them being raptured during the Tribulation.

Associated with the relatively new teaching of the Rapture is ‘Dispensationalism’ - a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations. Dispensational theology was not formalized until John Nelson Darby began teaching it in the mid-1800s. Dispensational theology first became popular in the days of Cyrus Scofield with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 1900s.

As others have pointed out in their answers to your question, most Reformed Protestant churches do not support a pre-millennial rapture of the saints prior to the Great Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus. Neither do they support the idea of Christ returning to earth to rule from Jerusalem for 100,000 years with a revived priesthood, temple and animal sacrifices. Such ideas turned up some 300 years after John Calvin’s death and can not be attributed to him.

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