From this link:

It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation

If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.

And this link:

At that moment, the world will have no born-again believers anywhere.

Does it mean there will be no more the elect ?

I mean something like this :
Before the creation, God has 100 elects, humans who will be in heaven.
Not one of the 100 elects will taste the tribulation.

Matthew 24:31
And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

80 elects already died before the Rapture. The rest, 20 elects are raptured.
No more the elect, no more believer to the rest of the future after the Rapture, before the Millennial Kingdom.


Most Reformed/Calvinist churches are Amillennial.1 For Amillennials the "millennium" is a symbol for the entire church age, and there is no single time which we could call the "Great Tribulation". Instead there will be times of tribulation throughout this age. The second coming of Jesus is not seen as a complex multi-part event like the pre- and mid-tribulationists do, but just a single time of Jesus' return, the resurrection of the dead, and judgement.

1 The exceptions would generally be Reformed Baptists, who are often Premillennial, but could also be postmillennial. Amongst the Reformed Baptists there's probably lots of diversity about the Tribulation; it is not a clear dividing doctrine unlike credobaptism or Reformed Theology's doctrine of salvation.

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    Reformed Baptist Amil here. Most of your premil folks are going to be graduates of John MacArthur’s seminary. I’m not aware of any confessional premil reformed Baptists - just ambiguously Baptist and Calvinistic dispensational MacArthur clones. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:00
  • @ThomasMarkov I don't know how you would classify him, but John Piper is a solid Reformed guy who is premill without being dispensational. – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:20
  • Ah yes, forgot about Piper. Thanks for the mention. Though, I’d use “Reformed” pretty narrowly. Piper is certainly Calvinist, but I wouldn’t call him Reformed, I’d reserve that for those who are confessional. But that’s just me and my preference for words. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:22
  • @Thomas Ah, yes some others on this site also distinguish the terms that way. Reformed and Calvinist are pretty much synonyms for me. So if someone signed up fully to the London Baptist Confession would that count as confessional and therefore Reformed to you? (I'm sure I've seen more than just Piper too, just can't remember them right now.) – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:24
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    @curiousdannii, oh sorry about that. Oke, I will make a new question. Thank you for the editing. – karma Nov 28 '19 at 3:14

Many Calvinists reject dispensational premillennialism, so for them your question doesn’t even make sense.

Eschatology and soteriology can often develop independently of one another, so you’re not going to find a good answer to your question. Your best bet is to study the various eschatological views often held by Calvinists, which include Dispensational Premillenialism, Postmillenialism, and Amillenialism.

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  • I didn't think there are very many Dispensational Calvinists at all, at least I don't really know of many. I think more would be historical premillennials, or closer to the views of New Covenant Theology. – curiousdannii Nov 27 '19 at 9:03
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    Charles Ryrie was a four pointer (Amyrauldian). His work on sovereignty is thoroughly Calvinistic. And these days, John MacArthur, one of Calvinists outspoken champions is full blown dispensational. Because of Ryrie’s influence even now there are Calvinists coming out of Dallas, and John MacArthur’s school turns out hundreds of dispy Calvinists every year. – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 9:08
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    @ThomasMarkov, thank you for the information. The quotes in my question is from GotQuestion site which I thought it's Calvinist. From your answer, now I know that there are more than one version among the Calvinist regarding my question. Thank you for your answer. – karma Nov 27 '19 at 16:29
  • @karma I noticed you have lots of questions about reformed theology, if you would like to chat more regularly you can reach me on reddit at u/thomasmarkov – Thomas Markov Nov 27 '19 at 16:36
  • @ThomasMarkov, I'm sorry as I can't reach you on reddit as reddit is blocked by all the cellular providers in my country. Anyway, thank you for the offer, Thomas. – karma Nov 28 '19 at 3:16

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