I am in the middle of discussion with a Calvinist friend.
He said that the Elect will be forgiven and never lose his salvation.
Some verses which I thought the verses are showing that to the one whom already saved there is still a "rule" like this :
X. If ... Then he won't lose his salvation
Y. If ... Then he will lose his salvation
(for example Romans 11:22 NLT)
which I show to him, he responded something like :
- A. The "Then" in the sentence of point Y doesn't mean God abandon
him, he lose his salvation and is going to hell. It is just your own
thought the "Then" in the sentence of point Y is "losing salvation"
- B. The If_Then_ is just a "fantasy dream" (ESV Hebrews 10:38, Romans 11:22b NLT).
On B, he means for example : "If I were a king... Then ...."
where the "If" is an impossibility, will never be fulfilled - which then the "Then" of course will not happen. In short he said that the "If" can never happen to the elect.
Finally I ask him on what about blasphemy of the Spirit.
He said that it's like point B. God would prevent the elect from blaspheming the Spirit.
So, Luke 12:10 is just like a "fantasy dream" for the elect. The verse is useless to the elect.
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven,
but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
And when I ask:
"then what is the use of the verse to the non-elect ?",
his answer that "the verse is also useless, as there can't be a forgiveness to the non-elect either he blasphemes the Son of Man or blasphemes the Holy Spirit because the non-elect will certainly unable to repent let alone ask God to forgive ".
Finally I ask him :
"then what is the use of that verse be put in the Bible ?"
Because he can't answer that, so I ask the question here :
What is the use of the verse anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven to the Calvinist (the elect) since the bold sentence is impossible to happen to the elect ? And What is the use of word about "forgiveness" in the whole verse 10 to the non elect since the word is impossible to happen to the non elect ?