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The Old Roman Symbol was a forerunner of the Apostles Creed. The structure seems to imply a dual maternity.

I believe in God the Father almighty; and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord, Who was born of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried, on the third day rose again from the dead, ascended to heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, whence He will come to judge the living and the dead; and in the Holy Spirit, the holy Church, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh (the life everlasting)

Notice what could be understood as a dual maternity: "born of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary". It seems if the Holy Spirit is the Eternal Matriarch of the Eternal Father then the dual-nature of the Son (Son of God; Son of Man) would be easily understood. Is their any evidence in church history that the Holy Spirit was understood as Eternal Matriarch?

When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being born again of the Holy Spirit, which could be understood then that God's children are born of the Holy Spirit?

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    It is you, who say that “it seems as if the Holy Spirit is the Eternal Matriarch”. I believe the Sacred Trinity is acting as the Eternal Patriarch in this Creed. – Ken Graham Aug 5 at 14:37
  • If by that you make the Holy Spirit the Patriarch, then what of the Father. And if the Trinity is acting as Eternal Patriarch How is the Son (the one eternally born) the Patriarch. – Rick Aug 5 at 14:47
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    The Sacred Trinity operates as one single and united being. That point is final. Mary is Jesus’ mother and not the Holy Spirit with Mary at the same time. – Ken Graham Aug 5 at 14:49
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    Is their any evidence in church history that the Holy Spirit was understood as Eternal Matriarch? Is that your actual question? If so, replace your title with that. – KorvinStarmast Aug 5 at 16:39
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    The Latin of the Creed says natus est de Spiritu sancto ex Maria virgine: "born by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary" Not "the Holy Ghost and Mary." Mary was the mother, and the Holy Ghost is the source of the conception of that mother: "was found pregnant by [i.e. by the power of] the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 1). In Greek, the New Testament uses masculine pronouns for the Holy Ghost. – Sola Gratia Aug 5 at 23:03
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Maternity indicated motherhood whereas parenthood is denoted by paternity.

Please, for goodness sake, do not use modern English for interpreting meanings of Scripture retrospectively because English was not even invented when scripture was first written.

This question was better directed at linguists for bad grammar than understanding religious issues, imo.

Dual paternity? Yes, but not dual maternity.

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I can’t answer for “ever” - there’s a lot of people in the history of the world!

Wikipedia has an article laying out all aspects of debate over this, but it has some issues: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_the_Holy_Spirit

HOWEVER, far more importantly, Jesus directly refers to the Holy Spirit as a “He”, and so do His followers. See John 14:26, Romans 8:16, Romans 8:26-27. There are more as well.

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