In the Catholic Holy Mass (Ordinary Form of the Mass in the Latin rite), the prayer for peace is said more than once . But, when the priest says "Peace be with you"the faithful respond by saying "And with your spirit ", rather than saying "And with you". I wish to know why the faithful are required to pray for peace `with the spirit of the celebrant'.

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    Ken Graham's answer hits this exactly. The decision in the 2011 revision of the mass translation changed a variety of things in the translations, even though the original Latin had not changed. For example, the previous to 2011 expression in English of "the mystery of faith" was rendered as "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again" but the forms in the liturgy were returned to more literal renderings and this "short hand" (while concise and true) was removed from the liturgy. Commented Jul 15, 2019 at 15:01
  • The terms Ordinary Form (Novus Ordo) and Latin Rite (Extraordinary Form, Traditional Latin Mass which uses the 1962 Missal, or the Tridentine which uses any Missal up to 1954), are contradictory: if it is NO it is not Latin; if it is Latin it is not NO. They are vastly different. There is no such thing as "Ordinary Form of the Mass in the Latin rite". In the Tridentine & TLM it is the Servers/Deacons who respond. In the EF/TLM the faithful have some responses, such as your quoted one. In the NO they respond a lot. I suspect you mean the EF/TLM. Commented Dec 1, 2019 at 5:26

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The simple answer is that "thy spirit" is a Hebraism for "you" (to be specific in this case, "you," but more 'endearing,' 'elevated,' or 'prayerful;' cf. Lk. 1:46). St. Paul uses this blessing in 2 Timthy 4:22: "The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit..."

This was almost certainly imported into, or was always part of, the Roman liturgy very early, and it has remained in it ever since.

Indeed, it appears that all the apostolic Liturgies involve this Hebraism, explainable only by the primitive apolostic foundation each of the Liturgies have.

For example, the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, the most popular Liturgy in the East, one hears the priest say, "Peace be with you all," and the deacon responding, "And with thy spirit." The Liturgy of St. Mark (Alexandrian Liturgy) also has this, as does St. James' (Antiochian) Liturgy.

As to why the laity (or the deacon on their behalf) are to respond to the blessing of the priest, the theological reason is that at Mass, there is to be kept a close unity of offerer and the others who offer by him, the Eucharist as well as the sacrifice of their praise and prayers.

For example, in many Liturgies we find this common prayer or ones very similar:

Liturgy of St. Thomas/Malankra/Indian Rite

Priest. Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.

Deacon. May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of his name for our good, and the good of his Church.

Roman Liturgy of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass

Priest. Pray, brethren, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.

Deacon. May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of his name, for our good and the good of all his holy Church.

The laity, via the Deacon (or servant), are to be always united and prayerfully attentive to the priest's intercessory prayer and offering of the Eucharist. That is why when blessed, they return the blessing, as it were: "The Lord be with you: and with thy spirit [also]!" eagerly awaiting what comes next. It involves the laity in the Sacrifice they are otherwise unable to offer themselves, via union with the priest who offers.

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    Can you link a source where the deacon says: ”May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of his name, for our good and the good of all his holy Church? I have only heard the congression say this even with a deacon present.
    – Ken Graham
    Commented Jul 16, 2019 at 13:07
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    I've attended the Traditional Latin Rite (pre-60 years ago) for approaching a decade now, and the Novus Ordo MIssae (New Order of Mass) is rather foggy in my mind (and for the purposes of my question, too artificial, in a neutral sense, to be relevant): I only know that in parishes with the traditional Latin Rite that I know of the Deacon or server says this, not the laity, but I'm sure it differs from congregation to congregation anyway... Commented Jul 16, 2019 at 13:34
  • In the Tridentine Mass form of the Roman Rite, the sign of peace is given at Solemn Masses alone and is exchanged only among the clergy (unless emperors, kings or princes were present, in which case they, too, received the greeting. If several members of a royal family were present, at least the sovereign received the greeting). It is given by extending both arms in a slight embrace with the words "Pax tecum" (Peace be with you), first by the priest celebrant to the deacon, who in turn gives it to the subdeacon, who gives the sign to any other clergy present in choir dress.
    – Ken Graham
    Commented Jul 17, 2019 at 0:06
  • The question at hand deals with the Ordinary Form of the Mass. As such, I have edited your answer to reflex that your response deals with the Tridentine Mass. Your answer still has some historical merit.
    – Ken Graham
    Commented Jul 17, 2019 at 12:37
  • @KenGraham 1) The Roman Liturgy is one thing, meaning what we have had since Roman times. Most people understand that to be the Tridentine Mass, referring to the standardisation at that council, and to St Pius V's decree for all ages. It uses any Missal up to 1954. 2) The Extraordinary Form is quite a different thing. Aka the Traditional Latin Mass by the traditionalists. It uses the 1962 Missal, and has the first set of corruptions of the modern church. Therefore the Roman Liturgy is definitely not the Extraordinary Form. Please reverse the edit. Commented Dec 1, 2019 at 3:24

Why do the faithful have to say “And with your spirit ” in the Catholic Mass in English?

First of all the “sign of peace” at Mass is optional, even on Sundays and holy days of obligation.

The sign of peace is optional. The General Instruction of the Roman Missal (154) states that the celebrant asks the congregation to exchange the sign of peace “when appropriate” (GIRM 154). When the GIRM describes a Mass with a deacon (181), it repeats this language by stating the deacon asks the congregation to exchange the sign of peace “if it is appropriate.”

It is therefore at the discretion of the celebrant whether it is appropriate at a particular Mass to exchange the sign of peace. - The Kiss of Peace Is Optional

A few years ago, the English version of the Mass had the wording for the congregation’s part as such: “And also with you.”

The New Translation has the words as such: ”And with your spirit.” This was put into motion because it more closely resembles the Latin Mass in the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

The changes (and their continuities with the older form of the Mass) are obvious from the first time the priest says, "The Lord be with you." In place of the familiar "And also with you," the congregation responds, "And with your spirit"—a literal translation of the Latin "Et cum spiritu tuo," found in both forms of the Mass. The Confiteor (the penitential rite), the Gloria ("Glory to God in the highest"), the Nicene Creed, and the dialogue between the priest and the congregation after the Agnus Dei ("The Lamb of God") and immediately before Communion all hark back to the older form of Mass—as well they should, because both forms of the Mass share the same Latin text for these parts.

Still, it would be a mistake to think that the new translation significantly alters the Novus Ordo. The changes put in place by Pope Paul VI in 1969 remain, as do all of the major differences between the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo. All the new translation does is to tighten up some very loose translations of the Latin text, restore a certain dignity to the English text of the Mass, and reinstate a few lines at various points in the Mass that had simply been dropped in the earlier translation from Latin to English. - The New Mass: Continuities and Changes

More on this subject can be found in the following article(s):

Vatican announces desire for more restrained sign of peace at Mass

The rite is optional, the congregation reminded, and there certainly are times and places where it is not fitting.

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