If God intends to destroy Jesus would he be able to prevent Him?

If God intends to destroy me, you, us all - who would be able to prevent Him?

The question is: Can anyone prevent Him? Can Jesus prevent God from destroying him or all that is on earth and in the Heavens

Edit with references:

The problem in this discussion is the idea of trinity. That 3 seperate beings have the same will. Also the idea that God has taken a son.

Regarding the idea of having the same will. If Jesus has the same will as his Lord then why does he say in John 8: 50

But I seek not my own glory: There is one that seeketh and judgeth.

and John 8: 54

Jesus answered: If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifieth me, of whom you say that he is your God.

Regarding Jesus saying Father: The answer is also in John where he explains the concept of father. Where he talks about taking the devil as a father, about if taking God as your Father and about hearing the words of God. He even says I came not of myself but He sent me. Again implying that - They have seperate wills and that Jesus has no power except by The Will of God. He is but a servant of God and not His Son.

John 8: 41

You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God

John 8: 42

Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me.

John 8: 44

You are of your father the devil , and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth. Because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar , and a father thereof.

John 8: 47

He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.

In regards about the original question. If God intends to destroy Jesus would he be able to prevent Him? referencing to John 8: 42 He would be able as it was He that sent him. He did not come of himself then he would not be able to prevent his destruction either.

I do not want to divert you from your religion only this trinity has no place in your religion.

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. Surah An-Nisa - ayat 171

Again a reminder: The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God"

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  • @IdrisAtmani, what research of your own have you done regarding this question? You've stated your opinions but on what references are you basing them? Including the research and references you are using, will improve your question and get the downvotes removed. – JDM-GBG Jun 13 at 2:01
  • @JDM-GBG I have made an edit to the original question with references to John Chapter 8. – Idris Atmani Jun 13 at 14:08

No, the Holy Trinity must be triune (consist of 3 Divine Persons in One God).

St. Thomas Aquinas explains that there must be 3 Persons in Summa Theologica I q. 30 a. 2 co.:

there can be only three persons in God. For it was shown above that the several persons are the several subsisting relations really distinct from each other. But a real distinction between the divine relations can come only from relative opposition. Therefore two opposite relations must needs refer to two persons: and if any relations are not opposite they must needs belong to the same person. Since then paternity and filiation are opposite relations, they belong necessarily to two persons. Therefore the subsisting paternity is the person of the Father; and the subsisting filiation is the person of the Son. The other two relations are not opposed to each other; therefore these two cannot belong to one person: hence either one of them must belong to both of the aforesaid persons; or one must belong to one person, and the other to the other. Now, procession cannot belong to the Father and the Son, or to either of them; for thus it would follows that the procession of the intellect, which in God is generation, wherefrom paternity and filiation are derived, would issue from the procession of love, whence spiration and procession are derived, if the person generating and the person generated proceeded from the person spirating; and this is against what was laid down above (q. 7 a. 3 & 4). We must frequently admit that spiration belongs to the person of the Father, and to the person of the Son, forasmuch as it has no relative opposition either to paternity or to filiation; and consequently that procession belongs to the other person who is called the person of the Holy Ghost, who proceeds by way of love, as above explained. Therefore only three persons exist in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

  • I'm still taking the time to understand the post. Some thoughts: If God has to be triune, then what was God before Jesus? What makes that of us? Do you say that we are also His sons? Then what makes 'the son' God? The obedience to his Lord? 'The son' would have no power except what The Lord bestows on him. He was created, all attributes lead to a conclusion of a creation> a man. He is be the Word of God and an elevated prophet. But to say that he is the definition of God is something that is illogical. Causing the question: If God intended to destroy Jesus who would be able to prevent – Idris Atmani Jun 12 at 17:47
  • @IdrisAtmani "what was God before Jesus?" Jesus's divine nature is eternal (John 8:58: "Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.") and not created, but His human nature was created from the flesh of His mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary. – Geremia Jun 12 at 17:58
  • I don't really understand why there is so much censure and changing of posts. Anyone who upholds the truth should not be afraid to let others speak their minds. If anyone would explain why that would be fine. Yet I will repost what I have said before. I thank you again, I understand your views now. I disbelieve in what you have associated with God and I bear witness that Jesus is his servant and prophet. The Messiah will return soon and he will make clear what is the truth and what has been invented. Peace – Idris Atmani Jun 12 at 20:56

Your basic premise is flawed. It was never God's intention to destroy Jesus.

After all, Jesus was resurrected and has ascended into heaven from whence he came. He lives! The tomb is empty.

Furthermore, Jesus came willingly to the cross. God did not take his life. Jesus willingly gave up his life in order to do the will of his Father in heaven.

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life - only to take it up again. No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father (John 10:17-18)

He predicted his own death and resurrection three times (Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:33-34). Jesus died to give his life as a ransom for sinners (Mark 10:45):

For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Nobody made him. Nobody destroyed him. He was no mere mortal, a man born of woman. He was no mere prophet, although he was God's prophet. He was the Word of God who was with God in the beginning, and who is God (John 1:1). The point is that Jesus was God incarnate, God with us.

God's promise is that all who put their faith in Him (Jesus) shall not perish but have eternal life. However, as part of the One Being of God, Jesus will return to judge those who have rejected Him.

There is to be a new heaven and a new earth on which righteousness will dwell. That is God's intention for humanity. The only question that needs answering is whether people will turn to God and put their faith in Christ Jesus and what He has done to atone for our sins, or whether they will reject Him.

It is not God's intention to destroy us. It is God's intention to save us. Your basic premise is flawed.

Edit: Re your comment that "the basic premise in the question asked is "IF" God is good..." that was neither declared nor implied. I stand by my answer because it underpins the whole doctrine of salvation - the means whereby God, in Jesus, has made provision to save sinful humanity. The fact that Jesus laid down his life to atone for our sins is proof positive that God is good.

  • The basic premise in the question asked is: 'if'. God is good, the question is not regarding the events that have happened. This is for the sake of reasoning – Idris Atmani Jun 12 at 17:50
  • @IdrisAtmani If Jesus is God (as in the Christian trinitarian sense), then your hypothetical 'if' shows up the basic flaw with the question. That would amount to Jesus destroying himself! Could you state whether you are asking your question from the point of view of a Muslim? If so, that would explain a lot. – Anne Jun 13 at 7:54
  • @Anne the question is made to challenge the idea of trinity. If you look at the answer Lesley stated he said that Jesus had a seperate will to obey the will of his Lord. If God willed the destruction of Jesus is not an illogical thing to think. The biggest flaw is the invention of trinity. I am asking this as a follower of Abraham, not making a distinction between any of the prophets. And in submission to The Lord. My Lord and your Lord. One Lord. Lord of Noah, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed peace be upon them all. – Idris Atmani Jun 13 at 12:29
  • Lesley what you write about is not what I mean. God is good, absolute. There is no doubt about it. I meant the premise is 'if God wills'. – Idris Atmani Jun 13 at 12:31
  • @Idris Atmani – I now understand what you are saying. We both agree that God is good, but what you are asking is IF God decided to destroy Jesus, could Jesus prevent God from so doing. Because Jesus is part of the One Being of God, and because the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are in perfect agreement and harmony, then such a hypothetical situation could never arise. Please note, I did not say “Jesus had a separate will to obey the will of his Lord”. I said “Jesus willingly gave up his life in order to do the will of his Father in heaven.” The will of both Father and Son was the same. – Lesley Jun 13 at 12:51

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