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In Christianity, the churches always teach about the doctrine of Christianity, the fundamental beliefs, how Christian view God as a Trinity God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are equally al-mighty and equally glorified.

Catholics have different beliefs, especially I find it quite strange when a catholic could not directly pray to the Father using Jesus' name in a prayer, and must be using Mary's name.

So it bothers me when some people are discussing Catholicism's doctrine here in Christianity area. Or the Catholic view themselves as Christian? And what are other things/beliefs that sets apart Catholicism and Christianity?

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    See christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/193/… for better understanding of how the site works. Also, you may want to read the tour and help center. I hope we can help you understand how Catholics respond to your concerns, and that you will find it worthwhile to contribute here again. – Bit Chaser Jun 7 '19 at 17:19
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    This website is christian in the loosest possible sense of the word. It's actually designed and maintained in a way which is favorable for Catholics, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, or anyone else with a clearly defined belief system external to the Bible. – L1R Jun 7 '19 at 17:38
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    I cant stress this enough, if you are a bible believing Christian, this site is not a place for fellowship, edification, or instruction. It's not designed for that. Save yourself a lot of frustration, read the rules and just realize this is not what you might think it is. I have been through this myself. God Bless you. – L1R Jun 7 '19 at 17:40
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    @WillMeetYou The premise of your question is based at-best upon a lack of clear knowledge about what Catholicism actually teaches; perhaps you can find questions & answers here which will clarify – eques Jun 7 '19 at 19:07
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    To "view God as a Trinity God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are equally al-mighty and equally glorified," as you wrote in your first paragraph, is a part of Catholic doctrine, retained by many of the Protestant religions when they broke from the Catholic Church. Where did you get the idea that Catholics don't believe this? – Andreas Blass Jun 8 '19 at 1:17
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I'm not sure you're asking this question but in terms of Catholicism "Cult" is not a dirty word, it's just a word that means "folks who follow something in particular".

The Latin Cultus means devotion. So if Mary has a Cult, she has a following within the Catholic and Orthodox Churches with a specific devotion to her.

It's true Catholics honor the name of Mary and Catholics honor the name of God and Jesus and all the angels and all the saints, but Catholics only worship God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). We just reserve the highest form of veneration for Our Lady, because she was chosen as the Mother of God and said yes.

There are several degrees of this worship:

if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.

When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration

As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia

Catholic Encyclopedia - Christian Worship

and there is absolutely nothing in Catholic teachings that would prevent a Catholic from praying in Jesus' name. In fact, almost every prayer in Catholic liturgy ends with saying specifically that we're praying in Jesus' name. And all prayers start "In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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  • You bring up a very good point. My understanding is that Catholics do in fact use the word "cult" in a non-pejorative fashion, and I suspect the OP used the word "cult" at least partly because of that use. – Bit Chaser Jun 7 '19 at 18:08
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    OP seems to be using "cult" in its most common usage, not in the broader usage – eques Jun 7 '19 at 19:00
  • Cult is not a dirty word, but it represents something in particular that is either less or more than the fundamental basis of Christianity, for me, explicitly using from a view of a follower of Jesus Christ. Not from a Mormons or a Catholics, or whoknowswhatelse. Simply because because when Bible itself contains truth, the external sources can only "check" if what it is teaching is truth but the external sources doesn't belonged to to believe system itself. In this case, a cult is those who follow some teaching that is fundamentally wrong as according to the Scripture, aka, the word of God. – Disrudog Jun 8 '19 at 2:06
  • @will I think that was C.S. Lewis' problem with Catholicism too. But Catholicism, to most of us, is normal Christianity and the accretions that Lewis complained about aren't barnacles on the feet of a statue representing a nice Church being battered against the waves, but a nice patina on the big toe caused by repeated rubbings by those who just made it out of the sea and are grateful to have something that helps them find salvation. – Peter Turner Jun 10 '19 at 13:36
  • @PeterTurner re: Lewis, that seems unlikely or at least an incomplete picture given his theology was in many ways more Catholic than many Catholics. I seem to recall it being an element of quasi-national pride -- being English, he thought belonging to the Church of England was proper. – eques Jun 10 '19 at 19:07
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Catholics have different beliefs ...

This is often said by non-Catholic Christians but at least not true for major aspects of Christian belief.

... especially I find it quite strange when a catholic could not directly pray to the Father ...

Being Catholic myself, I have seen a lot of Catholic people. I cannot confirm your observation.

Most Catholics I know personally pray to God Father directly.

... and must be using Mary's name.

A professor teaching Catholic theology on a Catholic university made some lecture in our parish.

She told us that veneration of Mary is an "additional offer in the Catholic Church" to Catholic Christians who want to do this, but it is "not required" for Catholic Christians.

Here in Germany, praying in the name of Mary is done by some Catholics, but only by a small minority.

So it bothers me when some people are discussing Catholicism's doctrine here in Christianity area. Or the Catholic view themselves as Christian? And what are other things/beliefs that sets apart Catholicism and Christianity?

I think this is only because you have a completely wrong idea about what Catholicism is.

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  • "but only by a small minority." That would be unfortunate and also not globally representative. It's also not a sufficient response to the OP's premise. – eques Jun 7 '19 at 18:59
  • @eques The question asked by the OP is a bit confuse so it's difficult to find out what he actually wants to ask. However, I think his main point is that he wants to understand why people that have a "Catholic belief" are using this web site. And I think my answer is clear: These people don't have a "Catholic belief" but they have a Christian belief. The reason why the OP asked this question is that his premises were wrong. – Martin Rosenau Jun 7 '19 at 19:38
  • @eques "That would be unfortunate and also not globally representative" I'm sure in Latin America it will be more than in Germany. However, I had friends in a parish in Peru (native people) and talked to them a lot. I have the impression that Mary does also not play a big role in their religiosity. – Martin Rosenau Jun 7 '19 at 19:42
  • Resenau I meant it is insufficient to answer the critique from OP about "must be using Mary's name.." with "it's not a big part". The fact is that it is part of Catholic devotional life. It seems OP has a mistaken idea of how imperative it is, but to say it isn't a part is incorrect as well. – eques Jun 10 '19 at 13:10
  • also consider how many Catholic institutions are named after titles of Mary; how many shrines are dedicated to Mary, sites of pilgrimage, etc. The most popular devotion remains the Rosary, which is Marian. – eques Jun 10 '19 at 13:11

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