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I always believed in One God, with no image( which for me means no mental image of something). Jesus Christ is a prophet from God. I was taught in this way. I was in a Catholic College and I never heard from a priest that Jesus Christ is God. What type of Christian am I?

I ask this because many non-Christians tend to believe that all Christians believe that the son of Mary is God - I'm not talking about trinity here because as I said, I believe in One God.

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    What does “with no image” mean ? Catholics certainly do believe in the trinity and teach that Jesus is God – Kris Dec 15 '18 at 16:32
  • christianity.stackexchange.com/q/24176/23657. This related question may be helpful – Kris Dec 15 '18 at 16:41
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    I think many Christians (Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, as understood from my Protestant background) would say that Jesus is God is an essential doctrine, so not believing that would make you not a Christian. And all Christians certainly believe in One God. But as the link Kris posted says, it would be a non-Trinitarian or likely Unitarian view. Also like Kris mentioned, what does "with no image" mean? – Alex Strasser Dec 15 '18 at 17:45
  • Kris, for me image means mental image of something. – bcloney Dec 15 '18 at 18:35
  • @AlexStrasser Regarding trinity, I know christians that believe, do not believe, and question about trinity, even constant-practicers, so in my cultural perspective they are still christians - these that were born with a bible near, they are free to considering them-selfs christians even if they are non-practicers and believe in one God (or lastly in a ethnic origins sense). – bcloney Dec 15 '18 at 18:36
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Virtually all Christians consider Jesus to be the image of God because of this passage in Colossians 1:15-16

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

If you are concerned with the question of whether Jesus is actually God, rather than whether he is merely the image of God, then the word you are looking for is probably 'Unitarian'. Unitarians believe that Jesus is the best and ultimate prophet and messenger of God, but not actually God. There are other kinds of groups too, including 'Christadelphians'. If you want more specific information you would have to tell us more about what you believe. Unitarians and Christadelphians consider Jesus to be the image of God, for the reasons I said above.

If your Catholic priest never said at any time that Jesus Christ is God, then he either presumed you already knew that or, if you were of a different faith, didn't want to offend you by contradicting your faith. He almost certainly believed it himself.

  • Note though that even Unitarians would acknowledge some sense of Jesus being the image of God, as Colossians 1:15 says, and because all humans are made in his image! – curiousdannii Dec 17 '18 at 0:34
  • curiousdanni See this. "Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior, but he was not a deity or God incarnate. (...) " So, at least, not all of them acknowledge that. – bcloney Dec 17 '18 at 3:29
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    @Bcloney That doesn't mean they don't believe Jesus is the image of God. – curiousdannii Dec 17 '18 at 13:58
  • If I might add some advice, it's commonly agreed that Jesus intended his followers to live the Christian life as part of community - or at least not alone. I would strongly suggest finding other Christians to spend time with and identify with. This would also sort out the question of what label you want to apply to yourself - you can use the same label they do. – DJClayworth Dec 17 '18 at 15:06
  • Exodus does not say "God has no image". It is a command "You will make no image", talking to the Israelites. Jesus can be the "image of God" because he was not made by the Israelites, so that doesn't contradict the command. The Bible (the foundation book of Christianity) specifically says Jesus is the image of God. If you want to understand more about this you might like to talk to Christian leader where you are. – DJClayworth Dec 17 '18 at 15:30
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That would make you Unorthodox, i.e., not pertaining to either Catholic or Protestant orthodox Christianity. Because God is Spirit, it is impossible to give Him any image. However, Trinitarian Christians acknowledge that there is only the One Being of God, but within the Godhead subsist the three persons of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Not three Gods, however.

Orthodox Christians also believe that Jesus was more than just a man, a prophet. The Christian Bible tells us that before Jesus came to earth to be born and dwell with us, he was with God, in the beginning as the eternal and uncreated Word (or Logos) of God. The Christian Bible also tells us that Jesus died, was resurrected and returned to heaven from whence he came.

Looking at your profile, it seems likely that you are a Muslim. That might explain why you do not give God any image and why you believe that Jesus is only a man, a prophet from God. If I am wrong, I will apologise.

  • Regarding your last sentence. I was born in a Christian country, and I always considered myself as a Christian. - Researching religions such as Judaism and Islamism, or even others doesn't clearly tells my ethnic religious origins. The arabic word for muslim means submited to God, something that christians can be too. – bcloney Dec 15 '18 at 18:20
  • Please accept my unreserved apology for drawing a wrong conclusion. I'm glad DJ Clayworth provided you with an insightful answer. – Lesley Dec 16 '18 at 8:37
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You may be an Iconoclast. The reason that there are so many pictures of God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Christian churches is because we believe that when the Second Person of the Trinity (Jesus) took on human flesh in the Incarnation that He made a real "Image" of himself in human history. Therefore depictions of Him are licit because He made a depiction of Himself.

Iconoclasm was an overreaction to image worshipping which resulted in the smashing of all depictions of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and all other holy pictures, even relics of the saints.

There's no real sect you can join to be with your iconsclastic brothers and sisters (and any attempt to practice what they preach would hopefully be against hate crime laws). Catholics, Orthodox and most Protestants are not Iconoclasts, although Protestants are probably closest.

  • Catholics pretty much embrace every tasteful depiction of God,
  • Orthodox prefer icons and
  • Protestants pretty much loath everything except smiling or knocking pictures of Jesus as Papist nonsense. But they like relics less than iconoclasts because they don't believe in the Communion of Saints in the same way Catholics and Orthodox do.

Basically, iconoclasm, wasn't necessarily about a hatred for art, but an exaggerated reaction against the doctrine that allowed the production of the art (i.e. the Incarnation). The Incarnation is central to all Christianity (and by extension all human history) so it's probably worth finding out what it is and why it's important before defining what kind of Christian believes the things you're asking about.

  • I searched about schisms, and before you and others giving me insightful answers I believed that my belief was near a "protestant" belief. - But I wasn't sure. Unitarianism is not so far away from Protestantism - Regarding the research that I did in Unitarianism. Before questioning, finding this terms its somehow difficult, so I was somehow extremely direct in the question. – bcloney Dec 17 '18 at 16:59
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Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") - Thanks @DJClayworth

  • Is a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is one person

  • Believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior, but he was not a deity or God incarnate.

  • Unitarians place emphasis on the ultimate role of reason in interpreting sacred scriptures

  • Other possible designation for this is Unorthodox. (Thanks @Lesley)

(Source: wikipedia )

Its worth to mention Iconoclasm. (Thanks @PeterTurner) this characteristic its important to mention and related:

Within Christianity, iconoclasm has generally been motivated by those who adopt a literal interpretation of the Ten Commandments, which forbid the making and worshiping of "graven images or any likeness of anything".

I think Unitarian Christian its the best modern answer. And in a Catholic sense, some can consider this type of Christian as Unorthodox, even if some can have different concepts about God (trinity for example). For a long time I was a constant practicer and I always believed in One God with no image and in the Commandments - This conceptualization about Unitarian Christianity belief is similar to: (@Thanks Anne)

  • Jehovah's witnesses
  • Mormons
  • (Quran) Muslims
  • (Torah) Jews

I have nothing more than to respect others Christians beliefs, taking in consideration that the apparent majority of people that are Christians believe in the pure Orthodox sense - I've no intention and time to change my "default" church to other than the Catholic Church, my question was purely in the informative sense.

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You hold a Christian idea as you believe just as Jesus Christ did:-

This tell you about the "the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15) of whom you cannot make a "Image"!

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NWT Mark 12:29, 30 "Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah [God], 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’"

Jesus in the above quoted from:-

NWT Deuteronomy 6:4, 5 "Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.

Stay with it must please God! Here are good reasons to show you are right:-

NWT Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

"God. The Hebrew has the plural from, the plural of majesty; but no idea of plurality is to be read into the word, because the verb created is in the singular.(Abraham Ibn Eara)-'The Soncino Chumash' Ed. by The Rev. Dr. A. Cohen

"The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, Chicago and New York, 1905, p. 208, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in אלהים [ʼElo·himʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . אלהים [ʼElo·himʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God. It ranks with the plurals אדנים [ʼadho·nimʹ, “master”] and בעלים [beʽa·limʹ, “owner; lord”], employed with reference to human beings.”

Elohim The following study is organized into two sections: (A) Summary of Biblical Usage ... Extensive detailed information is found in the separate file: "Elohim" in Context: Part 2 (Details). Word surveys are based on: Avraham Even Shoshan, Qonqorkantzyah Hadashah (Jerusalem: 1981) and J.R. Kohlenberger and J.A. Swanson, Hebrew English Concordance to the Old Testament (Grand Rapids: 1998). Section A — Summary of Biblical Usage "Elohim" is found 2602 times in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh, Old Testament). (It is not used in the Greek New Testament.) The word is used for: the true God, false gods, supernatural spirits (angels), and human leaders (kings, judges, the messiah). The "–im" ending denotes a plural masculine noun. Most of the time, however, when the noun is used for the true God it has singular masculine verbs. This is contrary to rules of Hebrew grammar. When used of the true God, "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, he is GOD in the fullest sense of the word. He is "GOD of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2). In the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint), where elohim refers to the true God, the singular theos is used. Genesis 1:1 Hebrew — "In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 Greek — "In the beginning, Theos made the heavens and the earth.

The New Testament (which is in the same Koiné Greek as the Septuagint) does not have different words for or spellings of "God." That is, no singular or plural forms of theos. When the NT quotes passages from the Hebrew Bible or the Greek Septuagint that contain the word "God," it always has the singular noun."-http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html

“The word Elohim is a plural, and probably a plural of that sort called the plural of majesty or eminenca, more accurately the plural of fulness or greatness. It is common in the East to use the plural to express the idea of the singular in an intensified form. Thus the Egyptian fellah says not rab for master, but arbab ; so in Hebrew the name Baal = Lord, owner, ruler, is used in the plural though the sense be singular ; cf. Isa i. 3, “the ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master’s crib” ... The singular Elohim means probably strength, power, or might and the plural merely intensifies this idea – the might par excellence, or the plenitude of might, is God.”- ‘The Theoelogy of the Old testament by A.B. Davidson, D.D., LL.D, Litt.D. Professor of Hebrew and old Testament Exegesis, New College Edinburgh pages 40-41

DNKJB Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah:( Mrk 12:29 )."-http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/OT05DEU06.htm

"is one! אֶחָֽד (e·chad.) 259: one a prim. card. number."-https://biblehub.com/lexicon/deuteronomy/6-4.htm

To your question:-

What kind of Christian is that?
Answer - A true one.

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  • @bcloney What is "orthodox" is set by The Bible NOT the Churches!! – ethos Dec 15 '18 at 21:37
  • Col 1:15 explicitly says that the Son is the image of the invisible God - how do you understand that? – curiousdannii Dec 17 '18 at 0:13
  • @curiousdannii A copy of God. – ethos Dec 17 '18 at 0:24
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    So how can you say that you cannot make an image of God, and how, if you acknowledge Col 1:15 is true, do you think this is a valid answer to the question which says there is no image of God? – curiousdannii Dec 17 '18 at 0:34
  • @curiousdannii Humans cannot make an image of what they cannot see (it would be an Idol) right? God can make an image of what he sees then he shows it to us, Jesus a man to copy the we can do as : Eph. 5:1Therefore, become imitators (COPY) of God, as beloved children, &1 Pet 2:21 .Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely. The we can be as God planed in the first place: Gen 1:27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Man was made to Love and Copy his creator and this is how its done now! – ethos Dec 17 '18 at 17:13

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