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Jesus is Ascended into Heaven with a "resurrected body".

Mary was Assumed into Heaven with a "glorified body?

Revelation 21:27

"Nothing defiled shall enter the Kingdom..."

I put a question mark on Mary's glorified body. Why? St.Pope Pius XII in the Assumption Dogma leave this part unsettled for all the faithful to ponder.

Mary no doubt the Catholic Church Doctrine teaches was bestowed with a unique and singular gift of Immaculate Body but still not a "glorified or spiritual body". Immaculate body cannot enter Heaven only spiritual or glorified bodies in reference to CCC999 & CCC1000 plus St. Paul teaching on 1Corinthian50-51.

Mary at the end of her earthly life either suffers "dormition" or experienced actual physical death prior to Assumption into Heaven.

But, the state of Mary's physical body is left unsettled by St.Pope Pius XII.Does Mary's "dormition" means She had already possessed a "glorified body" or after experiencing physical death Mary was given a "glorified body"?

Jesus clearly suffered physical death, the proof is when His side was pierced "Blood & Water" gushed forth signifying there's no more blood left.And after three days rose again with a "resurrected body".

My question is in reference to St.Paul teaching in 1Corinthian 15:50-51

Where O Death is Your Victory?

*"Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed." - 1 Corinthians 15:51

If St.Paul teaches that flesh & blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, Mary's state of physical body although Immaculate is still a real "flesh & blood".How can She enter/assume into Heaven in that physical state?

In view of the above, my question is Jesus "resurrected body" differs from Mary's "glorified body"?

Also for clarity of the matter when was the "glorified body" of Mary given?, is it in Heaven or while here on earth.If we follow "dormition" teaching there's a possibility Mary already possessed a "glorified body" because death has no sting in Her Immaculate Body. But if we follow the teaching that Mary experienced physical death then a "glorified body" was given to Her after death, but also still on earth and not yet in Heaven by virtue of St.Paul teaching "on flesh & blood cannot inherit the Kingdom".

I'm looking only answers from Catholicism and Church Father and Saints reflections and commentaries.

  • Ultimately the question is whether Mary's body was united with her soul in heaven or not? – Ken Graham Jul 22 '18 at 15:39
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Mary and Jesus share one flesh (cf. Gal 4:4; Rom 1:3; Acts 2:30; Lk 1:42), the new Adam and Eve (Gn 2:23). Flesh which did not inherit the sinful fleshly inclinations of Adam: concupiscence. They were tempted only by the devil and by the world, but not by the flesh's weakness for sin—the gift of sanctifying grace from birth, in which God originally constituted Adam and Eve, hence perhaps the angel addressing Mary not by her name Mary, but, as the New Eve: as κεχαριτωμένη—she who was graced by God. Yet neither had a glorified body until their resurrection (traditions of Mary's assumption say that she indeed died, albeit peacefully; and, having a body without sin, without decay, until being assumed bodily: cf. Acts 2:27).

They both had sinless, immaculate flesh, being one and the same flesh.

He had real flesh, and looked like us in all things: the difference was it was not sinful flesh, tainted and corrupted by Adam's sin, and made prone to the gratification of animalistic lusts and desires (concupiscence).

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Just as Jesus rose with a glorified body, so did Mary rise with a glorified body. Before such, He could suffer, and He could hunger, He could not trespass the regions of physical obstructions, such as doors, etc. Afterwards, He was found to have walked through a locked door in the upper room (Jn 20:19). The same goes for Mary.

"Flesh and blood" is a term meaningful only in contrast to the spiritual. It is in this sense that St. Paul says "flesh and blood" (human effort alone) cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Moreover, he parallels "flesh and blood" with "the perishable" meaning he doesn't mean glorified bodies here, since they are definitionally imperishable (1 Cor 15:53). Especially since we know Jesus still has flesh and blood: see Luke 24:39, and of course, in the Eucharist (1 Cor 11:23 et seq.).

Having sinless flesh doesn't mean you can't suffer death, since death being merely the separation of body and soul is not destructive (Acts 13:35-37), nor a punishment for those without sin (cf. 2 Cor 5:8). Death as a punishment looks like a rotting body and an eternity in Hell.

It's arguable that Jesus had to will to leave His body (which is the meaning of 'death'), as being without sin, He had dominion over His body, which unlike us fallen men and women, was subservient utterly to His spirit (Lk 23:46; cf. Jn 10:18). It's possible that the same happened with Mary.

They both recieved their glorified body after resurrection, as indeed the perishable cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Philippians 3:21 (NASB) For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

  • Great.your answer said "Just as Jesus rose with a glorified body, so did Mary rise with a glorified body."So you mean, Mary had already possessed a "glorified or spiritual body" while still on earth? If already possessed a "glorified or spiritual body" it would mean BVM can also pass doors, cannot be subject to physical limitations and can transcends space & time.Am I reading your answer correctly? – jong ricafort Jul 22 '18 at 16:13
  • Almost; she can now; Jesus can now: the saints await such a reunion with their body. But neither had glorified bodies until they arose from 'sleep,' as it were. Neither had that until that point. – Sola Gratia Jul 22 '18 at 16:18
  • I will post my answer as the Key to the Mystery is Jesus hard teaching on the Holy Eucharist. Jesus doesn't care if all the believers left Him, this is the most important teaching and it is the Key to transforming our mortal flesh & blood into a "resurrected & spiritual body" which as mystery unfolds Mary's Immaculate Body while on earth received the Holy Eucharist and experienced the "glorified & resurrected body". As part of the mystery,that's why Mary has to hide away and lived in Ephesus so that people may not worship Her "glorified state" and focus only on Jesus.Godbless – jong ricafort Jul 22 '18 at 16:26
  • As soon as Mary had a glorified body, she was assumed. No one sought to worship her. God bless. – Sola Gratia Jul 22 '18 at 16:40
  • 33AD is the Pentecost, 40AD is the "Pre-Assumption Apparition"; Mary appeared to St.James the Greater in a "ghost-like" form meaning "glorified body" like Jesus that can transcends physical limitations. Ven.Mary of Agreda reveals Mary instructed the Gospel writers not to write anything about Her only what is needed to glorify Jesus. From 40AD , Church history tells Mary's still live until over 70AD.So for 30 years Mary still lives, if She appeared to St.James the Greater in a "ghost-like" form, what would the people do if they saw Mary in that "glorified state"? – jong ricafort Jul 22 '18 at 19:10
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What is the difference between Jesus “resurrected body” and Mary's “glorified body”?

The short answer is: They are one in the same.

Ultimately the question is whether Mary's body was united with her soul in heaven or not? If Mary's body was united to her soul in heaven then her body would have been glorified at that moment. We simply do not know. The Church has of yet not decreed whether Mary even actually died or not. There remains a mystery here that will be reveled to us later.

A gloried body is given to a person after the soul and body have been separated and been reunited after one's resurrection (or assumption). The exact moment one receives their glorified body has not yet been determined, but is possibly at the moment the body and soul are united in heaven or just before entering heaven. The saints are in heaven awaiting their glorified bodies. Did this happened to Mary, we simply do not know.

The resurrected body is glorified

St. Thomas Aquinas examines this idea in the Summa Theologiae (part III, question 54). Christ’s body, though real, was “glorified” (i.e. in a glorified condition). St. Thomas cites St. Gregory saying that "Christ's body is shown to be of the same nature, but of different glory, after the Resurrection” (III, 54, article 2). What does that mean? It means that a glorified body is still a body, but it is not subject to corruption.

All creation is held in existence by God. Suffice it to say that a glorified body has living powers that an unglorified body does not have. Glorified bodies are incorruptible (incapable of decay) and impassible (incapable of suffering). They are stronger. In the hierarchy of creation, St. Thomas says, the “stronger is not passive to the weaker” (sup, 82, 1). We can, with St. Thomas, conclude that the elements retain their qualities but are perfected to a higher law. Glorified bodies, and all they contain, will be “perfectly subject to the rational soul, even as the soul will be perfectly subject to God” (sup, 82, 1). - What Was Christ’s Resurrected Body Made Of?

The resurrected body of both Christ and the Blessed are the very same material bodies they had before they died.

Christ's body fell by death; namely, inasmuch as the soul which was its formal perfection was separated from it. Hence, in order for it to be a true resurrection, it was necessary for the same body of Christ to be once more united with the same soul. And since the truth of the body's nature is from its form it follows that Christ's body after His Resurrection was a true body, and of the same nature as it was before. (Summa Theologiae III, 54, 1)

But Christ's body after the Resurrection was truly made up of elements, and had tangible qualities such as the nature of a human body requires, and therefore it could naturally be handled. (Summa Theologiae III, 54, 2 ad 2)

The resurrected body is not spiritual by being made out of, or turned into, a spiritual substance. It is spiritual by being completely subject to the spirit (soul) of its possessor.

But such is the disposition of a glorified body that it is spiritual, i.e. subject to the spirit, as the Apostle says (1 Cor. 15:44). Now in order for the body to be entirely subject to the spirit, it is necessary for the body's every action to be subject to the will of the spirit. Again, that an object be seen is due to the action of the visible object upon the sight, as the Philosopher shows (De Anima ii). Consequently, whoever has a glorified body has it in his power to be seen when he so wishes, and not to be seen when he does not wish it. (Summa Theologiae III, 54, 1 ad 2) - Thomistic Philosophy Page

Taylor Marshall has this to say on the subject:

Sacred Scripture and Catholic theology teaches that our glorified resurrected bodies will experience four properties as an outflow of the beatified soul enjoying the vision of God’s essence:

1) Impassibility – the glorified body will no longer suffer physical sickness or death, as Saint Paul teaches regarding the glorified body in 1 Corinthians 15:42, “It is sown in corruption, it shall rise in incorruption.”

2) Subtlety meaning that we will have a spiritualized nature in the sense of a spiritual body as did our Lord as we learn at 1 Corinthians 15:44: “It is sown a corruptible body, it shall rise a spiritual,” i.e. a spirit-like, “body.” We see that Christ’s glorified body was able to pass through closed doors.

3) Agility – the glorified body will obey the soul with the greatest ease and speed of movement as we read in 1 Corinthians 15:43: “It is sown in weakness, it shall rise in power,” that is, according to a gloss, “mobile and living.” Saint Thomas Aquinas says, “But mobility can only signify agility in movement. Therefore the glorified bodies will be agile.” We discern agility our Resurrected Lord’s ability to bilocate and travel great distances in an instant.

4) Clarity – the glorified body will be free from any deformity and will be filled with beauty and radiance as we read at Matthew 13:43: “The just shall shine as the sun in the kingdom of their Father,” and Wisdom 3:7: “The just shall shine, and shall run to and fro like sparks among the reeds.” Here clarity refers not being “clear” but to being “bright.”

St. Thomas Aquinas at Summa Contra Gentiles, IV, 86 summarized: “thus also will his body be raised to the characteristics of heavenly bodies — it will be lightsome (clarity), incapable of suffering (impassible), without difficulty and labor in movement (agility), and most perfectly perfected by its form (subtlety). For this reason, the Apostle speaks of the bodies of the risen as heavenly, referring not to their nature, but to their glory.”

It is worth noting that the Virgin Mary has already received her glorified and resurrected body. Hence, she has the four gifts of the resurrection. - Do You Know the Four Properties of a Glorified Resurrected Human Body?

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It's still a mystery for us...

Mary as Co-Redemptrix (not yet a Church Dogma) Her Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart was pierced by Seven Swords of Sorrows reaching it's perfection & completion "At the Foot of the Cross"

Mary "full of grace and Overshadowed by the Holy Spirit", now with the prophecy of Simeon fulfilled by piercing Her Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart, and then 50 days later the promised of Pentecost comes in the Upper Room.

***The Mystery to ponder for Mary to transformed Her Immaculate body into a "glorified body"?***

The effect on Mary's Immaculate Body & Sorrowful Heart of receiving another gift from the Holy Spirit, this time not by Overshadowing but by "INDWELLING" in Her Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart it produces "FIRE" as seen on images.

The "Fire on the Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart of Mary and Her Immaculate body now will receive from the hands of the Apostles the Holy Eucharist", what a "transformation" it would be, let's ponder the mystery of Mary's "glorified body" in the Light of Church Teaching on CCC999 & CCC1000"

*I will try to ponder the question by starting with **Leviticus17:14***

For the life of all flesh is in the blood:…(Leviticus17:14)

Catholic Church teaches all creatures was given by God a body & soul. How about the word spirit?

And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his >face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. (Genesis2:7)

The breathe of life, the spirit of God was given or poured into our hearts as we called it today the "sanctifying grace" coming from the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ True God and True Man in Philippians2:6-8

"Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross."

And add to this Jesus said in John10:18

"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

The question how can Jesus suffers physical death, having no sinned death has no hold of Him.

The key passage in Leviticus17:14 gives us the key to understanding, Jesus must poured out all of His precious blood for His sinless flesh to suffer death.

Jesus can do this because the Father has given Him the power to lay it down. God the Father mysterious divine plan is for Jesus to suffer death on the cross.Not only on the cross but to suffer it's Passion (scourging, nailing and hanging) were God mysterious design to poured out all of the most precious blood of Jesus.

But greatest Healing comes from the "Blood & Water" coming from the Sacred Heart of Jesus as immediately it brings forth healing to the soldier.Which is the sign of God greatest mercy.

"O blood & water which gushed forth from the heart of Jesus as a fountain of >mercy for us. I trust in you."

I'm putting the importance of "flesh & blood" of Jesus Christ as this has a profound link to Mary's "glorified body". in the Holy Eucharist as the "transforming" graces instituted by Jesus Christ at the Last Supper.

Jesus Christ in the Mystery of the Passion poured out His Most precious blood up to the last drop to effect the full separation of the human soul to it's sinless body.

Again the life of the flesh is in the blood. (Leviticus17:14)

**Answer**

Mary's "glorified body" will only be the same with Jesus "resurrected body" if it received it's likeness in the fullest sense of Jesus words as the Church teaches in CCC999

999 How? Christ is raised with his own body: "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"; but he did not return to an earthly life. So, in him, "all of them will rise again with their own bodies which they now bear," but Christ "will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body," into a "spiritual body":

So, Christ will change our human body into a "spiritual body".

I would like to borrow the Wisdom of Blessed Duns Scotus in the Immaculate Conception, God granting the Blessed Virgin Mary in advance the "sanctifying grace" that would be freely given to us in the virtue of Christ Redeeming Sacrifices at the Sacrament of Baptism and most especially for Her Role as the Mother of the Messiah/Theotokos.

Would God, by virtue of Agonizing Jesus At the Foot of the Cross saying,

"Woman behold your son..." (John19:26)

would give it's Loving & Merciful Mother an advance "glorified body" while on earth by Her role as the Mother of all the Redeemed.

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary is the Mother of all the Redeemed, meaning the Mother of the body of believers the Church, as Pope Francis recently proclaimed a calendar feast for Mary as the Mother of the Church.

The "Immaculate Body" was bestowed on Mary for Her role as Theotokos, but Jesus had given Her a new role as the Mother of his Mystical Body the Church, would it be fitting to use the Wisdom given to Blessed Duns Scotus as the Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart of Mary merited that gift At the Foot of the Cross (Co-Redemptrix).

Maybe not yet, God has still has not fully transform Her Immaculate Body, Jesus had not yet resurrected. In this let's follow Catholic Church teaching on "transformation" by citing CCC1000.

1000 This "how" exceeds our imagination and understanding; it is accessible >only to faith. Yet our participation in the Eucharist already gives us a >foretaste of Christ's transfiguration of our bodies:

Just as bread that comes from the earth, after God's blessing has been invoked >upon it, is no longer ordinary bread, but Eucharist, formed of two things, the >one earthly and the other heavenly: so too our bodies, which partake of the >Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, but possess the hope of resurrection.

The Immaculate Body of the Blessed Virgin Mary by receiving the Church Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist had received "foretaste of Christ's transfiguration of our bodies and "possess the hope of resurrection".

Therefore, to answer the question what is the difference between the "resurrected body" of Jesus and the "glorified body" of the Blessed Virgin Mary, by virtue of the Sacraments of the Holy Eucharist which Jesus commanded the Apostles to do in 1Corinthian11:23-25,

For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”” In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

Jesus said the He will passed unto us what He received from the Lord, meaning the glory of His Resurrection.

The Theotokos role has ended At the Foot of the Cross, but Her new role also begins Mary is now the Mother of the Church, the Mother of all believers who must conform and be the image of another Christ. Just as Mary formed the humanity of Jesus, all of the Redeemed, in the words of St.Louis De Montfort..

"all the elect are in the womb of Mary" (St.Montfort)

All faithfuls who believe in the Spiritual Motherhood of Mary must also believe in Her "glorified body" for Her to act as a powerful Advocate not just only to beloved Apostles St.John but to all the redeemed. Mary is the Mother & Help of all Christians.

So that in the end of our Christian journey, together with St.Paul we all can exclaimed...

"It is no longer I who lives but Jesus" (Galatians2:20)

Godbless

  • Would you please be so kind as to add links to your quotes. – Ken Graham Jul 22 '18 at 22:54
  • @KenGraham the quote that i put in here are bible verses and CCC would I need to put on the link to that, i think its verifiable. Also, one liner quote is from St. Montfort. I have to weave into that together with the known Church accepted teaching on Mary. What particular quote do you think i need to put a link? Thanks – jong ricafort Jul 22 '18 at 23:01

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