I imagine that the details of the afterlife were disputed as have all points of doctrine. Was the matter settled into dogma at a particular Council? I'd like to find out the details of who championed which views and with what arguments.

  • Could you add some supporting citations that this is the Catholic position?
    – bradimus
    Oct 16, 2017 at 20:15
  • @bradimus Actually, that is an assumption on my part since it seems to be a given. If it is not I'd like to know that too. Feel free to edit the question if you have any insight into where they actually stand on the matter. Thanks.
    – Ruminator
    Oct 16, 2017 at 20:22
  • I'm not sure I can offer much insight, but l suspect this may be one area where 'popular' Catholicism diverges from the official teaching.
    – bradimus
    Oct 16, 2017 at 20:45
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    Why do you think there would be any doubt about what "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36) means?
    – Geremia
    Oct 18, 2017 at 0:49
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    Is there a dogma that says X might be a better way to ask this, with "which council established this" embedded in the end of the question. Oct 18, 2017 at 17:56

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It appears that a belief in a new creation which would have some earthly aspect to it has never been abandoned, though this is not well-known. See The Catholic Encyclopedia (1917) on the New Advent website under "Eschatology," the last paragraph:

There is mention also of the physical universe sharing in the general consummation (2 Peter 3:13; Romans 8:19 sqq.; Revelation 21:1 sqq.). The present heaven and earth will be destroyed, and a new heaven and earth take their place.

  • Can you demonstrate the dogmatic nature of these beliefs (i.e. their origin)? The Catholic Encyclopedia is not a source of dogma in itself. Oct 19, 2017 at 12:02
  • See Catechism of the Catholic Church, Section II, Chap. 3, Art. 12 VI, "Hope of the New Heaven and New Earth."
    – Pilgrim
    Oct 19, 2017 at 12:51
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    Thanks. CC 2042-2043 cites Lumen Gentium (par. 48) (from Vatican II). You may wish to include this as something of a more "dogmatic" nature. Oct 19, 2017 at 13:37
  • It may be a teaching of the church, but I am not sure it is fair to call it a dogma. This may take me a few days to collect some further points to share with you, but dogma is a subset of the larger body of things that are teachings of the church. Oct 19, 2017 at 21:11

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