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This is about two questions to Mormons about Daniel 2:44. This passage records Daniel explaining the conclusion of a sequence of events in the then distant future to King Nebuchadnezzar, as follows:

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

(This passage is according to KJV taken from here)

The questions are:

  1. Do Mormons believe that this describes an actual physical event, such as the end of the world (Armageddon)?
  2. If it describes an actual physical event, will USA also be among those destroyed by God's Kingdom?
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The LDS Church's "Old Testament Student Manual" has a good, if small, compilation of statements on this subject with some commentary. Search for the question "How Is It That the Kingdom Set Up by God Will Consume the Other Kingdoms?" on this site.

A short answer to your question before diving in: Mormon teachings, as far as I have been able to find, do not indicate a specific event leading to the destruction of nations. That the kingdom of God will have real political power after Christ's coming is found in Mormon teachings, though the exact process by which this political power is gained is not specified to my knowledge, though it is associated with the great growth of the kingdom of God as it rolls to fill the whole earth.

There are two relevant quotes found in the manual. From Elder Bruce R. McConkie:

During the millennium the kingdom of God will continue on earth, but in that day it will be both an ecclesiastical and a political kingdom. That is, the Church (which is the kingdom) will have the rule and government of the world given to it. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 416.)

So, the "rule and government of the world" will be given to the kingdom of God. Exactly how is not indicated, but we know that when Christ comes again He will reign as the king of kings and lord of lords over the whole earth in both a political and ecclesiastical sense (e.g., Revelation 20 which states that Christ will reign for a thousand years, or the LDS Church's Tenth Article of Faith "Christ will reign personally upon the earth").

President Brigham Young taught:

The Lord God Almighty has set up a kingdom that will sway the sceptre of power and authority over all the kingdoms of the world, and will never be destroyed, it is the kingdom that Daniel saw and wrote of. It may be considered treason to say that the kingdom which that Prophet foretold is actually set up; that we cannot help, but we know it is so, and call upon the nations to believe our testimony. The kingdom will continue to increase, to grow, to spread and prosper more and more. Every time its enemies undertake to overthrow it, it will become more extensive and powerful; instead of its decreasing, it will continue to increase, it will spread the more, become more wonderful and conspicuous to the nations, until it fills the whole earth.” (In Journal of Discourses, 1:202–3.)

This quote describes the kingdom of God as already possessing political power, and as it grows and becomes "more wonderful and conspicuous to the nations" it will fill the whole earth, at which point one can say that its intrinsic political power has taken over all nations.

As far as whether specifically the United States of America will fall, President Ezra Taft Benson often taught of the necessity of preserving the United States of America as a place of freedom, and in particular of preserving the United States Constitution. The following quote, from a talk entitled "This National Shall Endure", indicates that President Benson is sure that the United States will "endure", though he does not indicate a specific timeframe for this endurance.

May we do all in our power to strengthen and safeguard this base and increase our freedom. This nation will, I feel sure, endure. It is God-ordained for a glorious purpose. We must never forget that the gospel message we bear to the world is to go forth to the world from this nation. And that gospel message can prosper only in an atmosphere of freedom. We must maintain and strengthen our freedom in this blessed land. (Ezra Taft Benson, Brigham Young University Devotional Address, 4 December 1973)

That the LDS Church believe the Constitution is an inspired document can be found throughout President Benson's teachings, as well as the 101st section of the Doctrine and Covenants. Church leaders (such as President Benson in the talk linked above) often acknowledge the importance of the USA and its freedoms in the establishment of the LDS church, and in this way one can think of the Constitution and the similar documents of other nations (and, more broadly, the nations themselves) as belonging to the kingdom of God in that they are associated with establishing it, even if indirectly.

These quotes unfortunately do not have the specificity to match the specificity of your questions. However, I do have some thoughts on this subject that have been informed by my lifetime of growing up in the LDS church that, although I don't have specific references to point you to. I've always been under the impression that after the Second Coming of Christ, those who are left will recognize Christ as their lord, savior, and king. Some will recognize this immediately, others who are less familiar with Christ's teachings will become convinced of this over time. At this point, the political authority that existed before Christ will become irrelevant, because everybody will recognize Christ as their ecclesiastical and political head. In this way the kingdom of God will have broken apart all other kingdoms and filled the whole earth, though through the peaceful conversion of individuals rather than through any sort of hostile takeover or destruction. This seems very consistent with Brigham Young's statement quoted above.


I also remember watching a video where President Benson stated that when Christ comes again, he was confident that flag of the USA would be flying in the breeze. However, I have not been able to find that video or text since, so do not take that as fact yet. I post it here in case someone else is aware of a reference for these words and can share it with me.

  • Thank you for the interesting and detailed answer, Joshua. That concept of peaceful conversion is interesting as well. In this regard I did want to ask you what your thoughts are on passages such as Revelation 16:14 according to which expressions inspired by demons gather the "kings of the earth and of the whole world" to "battle of that great day of God Almighty" (KJV)? – x457812 May 24 '17 at 17:34
  • These are events that occur prior to Christ's Second Coming. The destruction of the wicked occurs before the Second Coming, and my peaceful conversion story occurs after the Second Coming. Does this answer your question? If not, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking. – NeutronStar May 24 '17 at 18:32
  • Hi Joshua, yes that does answer the question. Thank you for your answers. Although I did realize that since your thought is that Revelation 16:14 is before the second coming, it would mean that the situation referred to as Armageddon (in Revelation 16:16) would be before the second coming. In that case the war-situation which involves the kingdoms of this world, on one side, and God on the other side (as in Daniel 2:44) would then be before the second coming. – x457812 May 24 '17 at 18:56
  • @x457812, yes. The LDS view does not pit God directly against the armies (until after the actual event of the Second Coming, which comes after Armageddon), but rather more indirectly via the power of God and the people and servants of God. For example, Revelation chapter 11 speaks of two witness who will use the power of God to stay the armies of Gog and Magog for 42 months. God need not be personally present to fight a war. – NeutronStar May 24 '17 at 19:50

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