Is there anything in scripture (or even private revelation to the saints) which says that near the end of the world, the world as a whole will come to accept abortion as morally acceptable?

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    Nope! ....... :) Just curious, who is making the claim that there is? – Affable Geek Jan 27 '12 at 17:59
  • I was arguing with Marc Gravell in this question and it got me thinking. In any event, I'm of the mind that there is a connection. I'd like to see if anyone with a more robust understanding of the Bible than me thinks so too. – Peter Turner Jan 27 '12 at 18:05
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    @Peter actually, I was refusing to engage on the subject. I offered no opinion on that topic, pointedly, twice. – Marc Gravell Jan 27 '12 at 18:15

Nothing specific to abortion, although I wouldn't expect there to be. 2 Timothy 3:1-7 gives us:

 1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Which generally points to people being disobedient, which is probably the closest you'll find. The problem, though, is that people have always been disobedient and rebellious. Before deciding the above fits "today", first try to find a point in history where it wouldn't fit. And indeed, much of this comes down to simply different ethics (meaning: bemoaning people who don't abide the church's edicts) . Moving away from abortion (too divisive to have a constructive discussion), while "modern" values may sometimes seem at odds with Christianity, I for one thinks today's society is heading in a positive direction, not a negative one, with a lot of emphasis on equality and the value of all humans, even (tongue in cheek) those that don't profess and follow Christian beliefs. And even those that do.

Likewise, looking at Luke 21 10-11, 25-26 - we have always been at the mercy of nature. The difference now is that we have much better reporting, measurement and awareness (including awareness of our own harm on the world).

On a more personal note, I don't think obsessing about end of the world prophecy is healthy in a culture. I'd much rather we all got on with living our lives in accordance with our values, and to the greater communal (local and international) good.

So: no, and no.

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    @Peter and what if it isn't? Frankly, I'm not a good person to ask on that, since my views are secular (and IMO ethical, but not along religious doctrinal lines). Also, while I'm happy to accept there's enough commonality in the various legends to make it highly likely we've seen floods, I don't buy into Noah specifically, any more than I would Utnapishtim, Xisuthrus, Manu, Deucalion, Tapi or Waynaboozhoo. – Marc Gravell Jan 27 '12 at 22:09
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    @vsz I don't think judging people here is constructive; it is a complex and emotive issue; for people being ground mercilessly between a rock and a hard place, I don't think either of your quoted terms is useful. Frankly, your over-simplification is an injustice to all. However, it is very well known even in ancient history, and has always been complex and controversial, but not as rare as you suggest. It is also naive to suggest that patricide didn't occur in Athene. – Marc Gravell Jan 29 '12 at 20:40
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    @vsz The very fact that it is so divisive is why I tried several times to sideline the abortion part of the question. That is not going to end well. It also isn't something with a "single" Christian view; there are plenty of pro-choice Christian groups and preachers, and every shade of view in between. – Marc Gravell Jan 29 '12 at 21:00
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    @vsz I did not attack you; I am merely suggesting that it is too complex an issue to say that any action is for purely selfish reasons. It is inaccurate and misleading to claim that the two terms in any way are "referring to" (specifically) abortion; if you choose to categorise it that way, then I can't change your mind - but: be aware that the terminology you use here is demonizing to people who may have had to make a very hard decision. But again, all of this is why I really tried not to get into it! – Marc Gravell Jan 29 '12 at 22:07
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    @vsz How on Earth do you get from "lovers of themselves" to "abortion"‽ I'm pretty sure that it's a reference to masturbation which, unless I have my biology 100% wrong, tends not to result in pregnancy. – Kaz Dragon Feb 2 '12 at 13:43

The idea is based on the following logic:

In Exodus we learn that while Israel resided in Egypt under the oppression of the Pharaoh, God planned to bring a deliverer to His people: Moses. However, when Moses was born, Pharaoh had issued a decree to slay the firstborn sons. Moses was spared from this slaughter by the providence of God, and went on to lead God's people out of Egypt.

In Matthew we learn that Herod sought to prevent the birth of the Christ by slaughtering all male children. Christ was also a Servant of God and a leader to God's people, destined to lead God's elect out of the hand of their enemies.

Some conclude that:

  • In both cases God was bringing someone to lead His people out of captivity
  • In both cases the enemy attempted to thwart that plan through a slaughter of children
  • There is a final deliverance that is yet to come (in the end times)
  • Prior to that deliverance certain key people will be born which will lead God's people
  • Since Egypt is a type of "the world", and Israel a type of "the church", perhaps the slaughter is also a foreshadowing of a slaughter on the generation destined to lead God's people in the end times
  • We see abortion happening and it is an atrocity
  • Abortion must be that slaughter

Anyway, take it for what it's worth, but that's the origin.


There is nothing in scripture which makes this statement. As far as private revelation, nothing I know of, however, I do not typically seek out teachings based on private revelation. 2 Peter 1:20-21.


some people think Jesus's words to the weeping women were about abortion.

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    Welcome to Christianity SE. Can you please provide some explanation - who are these people, what is their evidence? As it is, this answer will likely be deleted. – Reinstate Monica - Goodbye SE Oct 15 '12 at 14:46
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    Or, are you possibly conflating the prophecy of Rachel mourning for her children (widely assumed to be pointing to the Massacre of the Innocents?) – Affable Geek Oct 15 '12 at 18:27
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    Either way, this answer needs to be fleshed out... – Affable Geek Oct 15 '12 at 18:27

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