According to soteriologies (e.g. Arminianism) that require humans to make a decision to come to God, why is that the case? What does God gain from faith?

Put another way, why does he require a violitional act of choosing God, rather than simply unilaterially saving humans from their fate?

  • I think it would be worthwhile to link to Arminius (the proponent of free will in contrast to the Calvinistic predestination guy) so that people know you're not talking about the Armenian (the country) Orthodox Church... Jan 11, 2012 at 13:33
  • @Brilliant Hope you don't mind the massive edit I've made to the question. I think I'm getting to what you want to ask, but please revert if its not. Per Caleb, I'm just trying to make this question a little better. Thanks! Jan 11, 2012 at 16:08
  • This edit looks like a much better place to start. I have edited the other question this spawned along a similar vein.
    – Caleb
    Jan 11, 2012 at 16:18
  • <obsolete comments about old version of question removed>
    – Caleb
    Jan 11, 2012 at 16:18

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One has to argue the premise - God doesn't necessarily need faith, he might just want it.

A truly compassionate and loving God who understands his people, may simply desire what is best for them. If God is the best, then it would be His desire that his people come to him- willingly and without coercion.

As an analogy, a father may understand that his children learn the value of money. That would entail getting the child's attention, showing correct courses of action, and rewarding desired / punishing undesired behavior. But, before any of this training can occur, the child must first believe that the parent knows how best to deal with money. Without that implicit faith, nothing can be taught.

Likewise, God demands faith (1) in order that he might help his children to be better.(2)

(1) Heb 11:6 without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him

(2) Heb 12:6 - 10 the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness

Yes, it does sound a little bit like an old Army ad, but its true: God wants you to be all you can be.

In order to accomplish that, however, one must choose (via free will) that God is in fact the best authority you can emulate.

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    heads-up; the OP split this question into two separate questions; Calvinist and Arminian. You may want to check that your answer represents the right question (I make no assumption as to which, neither, or both it now belongs) Jan 11, 2012 at 13:18
  • Now that I realize we're talking free will here, I think my answer stands. That said, I think its a fairly picky addition to the problem that @waxeagle is suggesting... Jan 11, 2012 at 13:35
  • @AffableGeek: I don't think what got implemented is at all what wax was suggesting, and makes this question kind of awkward. Suggestions on how this could be made into a good question rather than a funky one? Please help edit it!
    – Caleb
    Jan 11, 2012 at 16:01
  • @Caleb Thanks (I sometimes need a little prodding to edit). What do you think of this new phrasing? Jan 11, 2012 at 16:08

Remember that the idea of salvation is that God saves us from the penalty and power of our sins that He may have a loving relationship with us. Trust is an important foundation for any relationship to form and prosper. For instance, is any marriage relationship sound in which the spouses do not trust one another?

God has already gone out to us through the offering of His Son for our salvation. Faith on our part, trusting God, is our response to what He has done. (We believe in His finished work because believing in our works-righteousness will ultimately be fatal.) When we believe on the Son, when our hearts are hooked, then the "romance" begins.

Remember, too, that heretofore we have trusted in many other things, like in ourselves, society, mom and dad, money, good looks, and so on, to get us where we want to go. But God wants to take us in an entirely new direction, in which His kingdom values are to ultimately prevail within us. Trust will be key as we transition from one state to the next, groping along as we let go of cherished notions to grow in this foreign thing of trusting an invisible being. Faith in this God is important because we haven't been this way before.


God doesn't need our faith, he already has plenty of his own, it is we who need to develop faith. The question is why.

Every particle in the Universe ever acted upon by an intelligent being, is done through faith (at the very least we have to have faith that our perceptions are real). Every miracle ever performed was done through the power of faith – "by their faith they were healed.” Once in the celestial kingdom we will be able to create worlds of our own according to our faith.

Hebrews 11:5. “By Faith Enoch Was Translated that He Should Not See Death."

  • You are a mormon, right?
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    Mar 16, 2014 at 3:07
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    Hebrews 11:3 reads, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God." This does not suggest that the worlds were created by faith, but that we understand this by faith. You omitted three words and completely changed the meaning of the passage.
    – Narnian
    Mar 17, 2014 at 13:20
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    "Celestial kingdom" is a dead give away. That is wording isn't used outside of LDS circles. As for your answer, I'm going to have to say your assertion that "God has faith" is not widely representative of Christian theology, nor is the faith of the healed being the only determining factor in miracles.
    – Caleb
    Mar 17, 2014 at 20:17

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