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The doctrine of the Trinity states that there are three Persons: God (the Father), Jesus (the Son), and the Holy Ghost.

The Church also teaches that Jesus died for the sins of humanity. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man, and at the same time not mixed or separate.

So if Jesus is said to have died for the sins of humanity, and Jesus is God, then God died.

An entity that dies cannot be considered eternal.

Is the dictionary term "eternal" not correct, or are our rational minds incorrect in thinking that an entity that dies is not eternal? (I don't mean to sound rude or harsh, but this is a theological matter, and the seriousness of the matter sometimes requires stating things bluntly.)

If one just states the usual, "It is a mystery," I think that might be another way of saying it doesn't make sense—just accept it. I am looking for a more direct and specific answer than that, based on Catholic theology.

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  • @Nathaniel Though close, I don't think this is actually a duplicate, since it's asking about the eternity of God rather than about the preservation of the Trinity in the event of Jesus' death. – Lee Woofenden Nov 16 '15 at 22:12
  • I've edited the question to specify a Catholic scope, in line with the "catholicism" tag on the original question. I made some other fixes to the wording and flow as well. If the revised question is not what you had in mind in any way, please feel free to re-edit. However, the question does need to have a denominational scope. See: What topics can I ask about here? – Lee Woofenden Nov 16 '15 at 22:14
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    @LeeWoofenden If the scope is Catholicism (trinitarian), then I'm not sure how practically different the answers will be. But I've been surprised before. – Nathaniel Nov 16 '15 at 22:19
  • I don't have the references to hand to write an answer, but the orthodox Catholic answer would be to say that Christ died according to his human nature not according to the divine nature. The same applies with impassibility & suffering. Many theologians (famously Tertullian) would say that we can say "God died" by virtue of the communication of attributes. Ultimately this is one of the paradoxes of the Christian faith generally and Christology particularly. – lonesomeday Nov 16 '15 at 23:33
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I'm going to answer with an earthly illustration and then tie the scriptural doctrine to it at the end, so bear with me.

Suppose there is a video game developer. He spends his days typing the computer code that is the game. He experiences the game from the perspective of a programmer.

He knows how the graphics will be drawn to screen and how all the pieces will interact. Then the game developer decides to experience the game differently. He hits the preview mode button (f12 perhaps) and now when he types on the keyboard a character jumps and moves around. He is experiencing the game world as a player through what is called an avatar.

Something happens in the game and the avatar 'dies', which is to say that the game code prevents the developer from experiencing the game world through the avatar anymore. At this point the game developer can...

A) Hit ESC and go back to experiencing the game as a programmer, looking at code
B) Wait (or use a shortcut key built for developers) for the avatar to respawn.

In either case the developer exists even when the avatar is surrendered or lost.

Now for the Scriptual doctrine tie in...

The Spirit of the Son as 'developer':

1 Corinthians 8:6 "Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

Hebrews 1:2 "his Son [Jesus]... through whom also he made the universe."

John 1:2-3 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; >without him nothing was made that has been made.

The Spirit of the Son then limited itself to experience the created universe through an avatar:

Philippians 2:5-7 Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

The Spirit of the Son was able to hit the 'respawn' button, resurrect the human body avatar-

John 10:18 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.

Ephesians1:19-20 according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead

Returning to overseer of the 'source code'-

Ephesians 4:10

10 He [Jesus] who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.

1 Peter 3:22 Who [Jesus] has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

The existence of the Son is not threatened by the loss of an avatar.

Remaining questions

The above is a cheap painting of doctrine that is common among many Christian denominations. Opinions diverge on the details of the Son's relationship to the human avatar.

Did the Spirit of the Son leave the human avatar when it died and re-enter it on resurrection, or did the Son stay bound to the avatar and wait for resurrection 'in the dark'?

Did the Son return to whatever the Son was before the incarnation, or is there something different about the Son after that experience? In other words, does the Son continue to bind itself to a immortalized version of the Jesus body?

You can find the second question discussed briefly HERE

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