I've observed some young-earth creationists attempt to link the worldwide flood of Noah's day with melting icebergs. While not critical of the science behind such an explanation, I would really like to know why young-earth creationists, in addition to a strictly literal approach, don't also leave any room for miracles in their explanations of things that are commonly regarded as miracles. Why don't they say at least "I don't know" instead of creating the faulty science?

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    Uh... They do. Perhaps a bit more research to see if all creationists try to explain away the flood before assuming they all do based on "some". – David Stratton Jun 28 '15 at 23:18
  • If all the ice bergs in the ocean were to suddenly melt, the level of the oceans wouldn't change by so much as a millimeter. Floating ice displaces just as much water as liquid water does, so they're not a contributing factor to the flood, only the ice on land would, but even if you were to melt all the ice on earth, the oceans would only rise 60m. This is why people are theorising that ground waters and atmospheric waters had more significant roll in the flood than melting ice did. – ShemSeger Jun 29 '15 at 14:02
  • It would be helpful if you could link to a YEC source that uses icebergs to explain the flood. When I googled it, the only result that suggested such a connection was this page. – Bruce Alderman Jul 4 '15 at 20:38
  1. It is always better to admit you don't know than to make something up, especially when it comes to speaking about God!
  2. The idea that God fills in the gaps of our knowledge with his miracle super powers is called the 'God of the Gaps.' It has the problem of making God look like he decreases while our knowledge increases. It also does not adequately account for the doctrine of providence: Christians believe that all that happens is due to the hand of God. Things that happen because of the regular scientific laws are not somehow independent of God while miracles show how God acts; no instead everything is directly the act of God. But because God is an orderly being, he chooses to act in such a predictable way that we can categorise his acts into the laws of nature. The miracles are the irregular times when he decides to act outside his normal patterns, but they are ultimately no different from his other acts.
  3. The YEC movement arose after evolution and scientific naturalism became the dominant scientific paradigm. The movement does not disagree with any data gathered by scientists, or with any real scientific laws/theories/models. Their disagreement with mainstream science is how to extrapolate from the data we have gathered in the present into the distant past. So they'll say that both sides have data X and theory Y, but their assumptions A & B differ, which is why mainstream science says some rock is 3 billion years old and the YEC scientists say it is only a few thousand years old. So even though they have no direct theological relevance, the YEC movement spends a lot of time developing models they believe are scientifically plausible for the cosmology they believe in. This doesn't mean they never say that miracles have happened, just that when the Bible doesn't explicitly say one did happen, and when they can come up with a model that doesn't need a miracle, they'll usually go with such a model.
  • Yeah, the thought it is only model works. Now I see I should ask the question different way - why they don't explain things which in theology usually means miracle - exactly just like the flood. I absolutely agree the God of the Gaps make no sense (if you don't know the problem is even theoretically unexplainable by science or logic). Thanks for your answer. – Probably Jun 29 '15 at 12:06

I personally have never heard or read where a YEC (which I am) claims the flood was caused by melting icebergs. Regarding the flood, we typically believe just what Genesis 7:11-12 states. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

God caused the water deep within the earth to burst forth, which seems to be evidenced by the mid-oceanic ridges. We also now know there is water within the mantle. Also, see hydroplate theory at http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/HydroplateOverview2.html

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  • I have not heard of icebergs either, but I have heard of plenty of other things, including comets and a kind of ice dyson sphere. So actually, some YEC's do insist on scientifically explaining everything, instead of just letting it be a miracle. – fгedsbend Jul 4 '15 at 15:20

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