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In Revelation 12:7

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

According to common sense or human logic there isn't point for immortal beings to fight. If both are immortal, who is ever going to win? Why need to fight if one is always stronger, lets say angels always win.

In the one NDE testimony Archangel Michael hit the demon to his chest and he kept fighting back. I believe fallen angels are as intelligent as good angels and understand no point in fighting back.

According to the Catholic teaching, what is the point to an angel's fight with demons if they are both immortal and God's angels stronger? The whole idea of spirits fighting is absurd to me. Isn't really a battle over the influence? But there was fight in heavens, not involving us...

  • There is a fundamental assumption in your argument which is wrong. Angels are not immortal, only God is immortal. 1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. – One Face Jan 30 '15 at 15:52
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    @CRags Perhaps in Catholic teaching angels are immortal, or at least something like. Are you certain that your statement that Grasper's assumption is wrong is in fact reflective of Catholic teaching, as requested? – Matt Gutting Jan 30 '15 at 15:55
  • I don't know about Catholic teaching concerning angels. But the scriptures are clear. That's why I am posting this as a comment, just so the OP clarify further. I definitely would not answer this as I have no idea of Catholic theology – One Face Jan 30 '15 at 15:58
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    Angels are immortal spirits; their existence had a point of origin, but will have no point of termination. Yes, I need the catholic view on this... – Grasper Jan 30 '15 at 15:59
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    Related question: Can Angels Die? – Affable Geek Jan 30 '15 at 20:10
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This article What is a Demon? by Fr. José Antonio Fortea Cucurulla, a Spanish writer, and a Roman Catholic priest and exorcist of the diocese of Alcalá de Henares (Madrid), speaks of what the angelic fight, a fight between spiritual beings, was all about:

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him (Rv 12:7-9).

How can purely spiritual beings fight among themselves? What weapons do they use? Angels are spirits, so their battles must be purely intellectual. The only weapons that they can use are intellectual arguments. The angels gave reasons to the rebels for why they should return to obedience to God. The rebel angels countered with their reasons to support their position and spread their rebellion among the faithful angels. In this epic angelic battle, some who were inclined to rebel returned to obedience, while some of the faithful angels were seduced by the evil arguments of the rebels.

From above we see that God had asked or commanded the angels to do something. The dragon and his angels rebelled and did not want to obey and tried to instigate others to join in the rebellion with St. Michael (From the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mikha'el) meaning "who is like God?". This is a rhetorical question, implying no person is like God) and the faithful angels countering with their arguments.

Revelation tells us that a third were not faithful and were kicked out of heaven and became the demons, the Devil or Satan and his angels.


As regards winning, the good side always wins (in the end) i.e. God's side always wins and he is the one who provides the victory.

Rev 12:9-11 (RSVCE) 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come1, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.


1. The Jerusalem Bible Popular Edition renders this: Victory and power and empire for ever have been won by our God

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    this answers my question perfectly! Thanks! – Grasper Jan 30 '15 at 20:28

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