1) How did Abraham worship God? Isn't it a bit inconsistent, since Abraham would not worship Jesus, as technically he is the ancestor of him. So, who did Abraham worship?

2) If he didn't worship Jesus, and if Christianity tells us god is three, how do we know god won't multiplicate into higher numbers than 3 in the future? And if God is perfect, what is the perfectness of three? Why isn't four five six hundred thousand?

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    I think there are too many questions here, I'm afraid. It should be possible to distill this to get the information you're really interested in (and probably mention the supplementary stuff as well), but it's not obvious enough what the main question is. If it's simply "Who did Abraham worship," then the answer is "God, as he had revealed himself to Abraham and his people." – Andrew Leach May 1 '14 at 18:08
  • So many questions! – msmucker0527 May 1 '14 at 20:50
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  • Is your question, 'who did ...' or 'how did ...'? The 'who did ...' is too easy to do a whole answer on. The 'how did ...' presents an interesting challenge, so it would be nice if you could clarify. – gideon marx May 2 '14 at 8:00
  • cf. Abraham | Judaism 101 – user13992 Aug 17 '14 at 1:19

You have a couple different questions, but the main one seems to be in regard to Abraham and Jesus.

Abraham and Jesus

Abraham is only the ancestor of Jesus in His incarnation. Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant branches of Christianity teach that God is and has always been a Trinity of Father, Son and Spirit. The Son became a man and entered into His creation around 2000 years ago. When He did so, He was given the name "Jesus", which means "God saves". He was named this because He came to save.

However, Jesus, or God the Son, existed "before Abraham". In fact, it was likely God the Son in a pre-incarnate appearance Who visited Abraham prior to the destruction of Sodom. He was also likely the fourth Man in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, whom Nebuchadnezzar described as one "like a son of God (the gods)".

Even in creation, God says, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness..."

So, Abraham did worship God the Son before He became a Man and took on the name of Jesus.

The Trinity

Briefly, the Trinity is something that is seen in much of creation. The physical universe consists of 1) time, 2) space and 3) matter. The three are co-existent. Time itself is measured as 1) past, 2) present and 3) future--it is one, yet a distinct three as well. Space is measured in 1) length, 2) width and 3) height--three distinct dimensions. Matter exists as 1) solid, 2) liquid and 3) gas, as H2O can be ice, liquid and vapor, yet still the same substance at its atomic level.

So, the concept of a three-in-one unity is not without example in creation itself. These examples are understood to be reflections of the Creator.

God never divided from One into Three. He has always been and will always be Father, Son and Spirit.

  • Good answer. I think plasma is also considered a phase of matter along with solid, liquid, and gas. This doesn't negate your argument about seeing trinities in nature, it just seems like phases of matter are a helpful example. – mojo May 2 '14 at 5:04
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    The science here is terrible. Your answer does not need it. – gideon marx May 2 '14 at 8:07
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    @gideonmarx Any basis for that statement? – Narnian May 2 '14 at 12:38
  • @Narnian Yup. The entire scientific world. Oh, and stuff like mercury. And the number two, as in spin directions, occur billions and billions of times more than three. And God is both creator and eternal, two entities that is one, just like space/time that is one thing and matter that is energy. And space that exist in four dimensions. Why am I answering this? – gideon marx May 3 '14 at 9:57
  • let us continue this discussion in chat – Narnian May 12 '14 at 14:45

I totally agree with gideon marx and I would also like to add that it is held christ was Melchizedek, whom Abraham paid tithe to in Genesis 14:18-20

And Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High, brought Abram some bread and wine. Melchizedek blessed Abram with this blessing: “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And blessed be God Most High, who has defeated your enemies for you.” Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered.

genesis 14:18-20

also references of this are made in the new testament

The name Melchizedek means “king of justice,” and king of Salem means “king of peace.” There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God. ...

hebrews 7


Jesus has already gone in there for us. He has become our eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.



The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.

hebrews 7:8

so in conclusion abraham did acknowledge christ but just not as "Jesus" but he acknowledged christ in another sense because christ at that point was still prophecied to come incarnate as Jesus and save yet he still played a major role throughout the entire sequence of events leading up to his incarnation


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