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Joshua 24:15 “But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Can parents still claim “But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord” if they have a child who doesn’t serve the Lord living in the house?

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    Children who reject the gospel will often depart of their own accord once they are able to be independent. The question highlights the situation where parents willingly permit unbelief to prevail under their own roof, favouring nature above the Spirit. Up-voted +1.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Aug 31 at 3:41
  • Hi Nigel 👋🏽 as you said they will most likely leave when they are able to be independent, in the case they are not independent yet— can the family still say this to members of the congregation? And sorry for the redundant question but what does favoring nature above the spirit mean? Does it mean doing something against God?
    – Lyd
    Commented Aug 31 at 11:17
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    They who are regenerate, born again, born anew, born of God, born from above, born of water and of Spirit (scripture describes all these seven) 'walk in the Spirit' and 'fulfil not the desires of the flesh'. They are led of the Spirit in a new humanity under the Headship of the ascended Christ. and as moved by the Spirit of holiness. They rise above natural things and natural relationships. (But still fulfilling all dependent necessities.)
    – Nigel J
    Commented Aug 31 at 13:02

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Joshua is making a statement of policy. The assumption is that Joshua has authority to decide for his family.

In most cultures and at most times in history, it has been understood and taken for granted that the father, as head of the household, has authority over his wife and children. If Joshua says "we will serve the Lord", and one of his children doesn't do so, it's not that Joshua is wrong but that his child is disobedient and at fault. Joshua has laid down the policy for the family, and it is to be hoped that the child's error is only temporary.

The statement is a statement of policy, and since it is known that we are all sinners, it doesn't need to be footnoted with all kinds of disclaimers (*except when we make mistakes, except when we're in sin, except when a child disobeys, except when we sleep in too late on the Sabbath, except etc.) The hearers and readers, being human beings, already know what sorts of weaknesses we're subject to.

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  • Thank you. Yes another answer I received was: Scripture emphasizes that each person is ultimately responsible for their own relationship with God. Ezekiel 18:20 says, "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the father's iniquity, nor the father suffer for the son's iniquity. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." This verse shows the personal responsibility each individual has before God. Therefore, a family can still proclaim, "As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord," even if a child
    – Lyd
    Commented Sep 5 at 12:56
  • in the household is not currently walking in faith. The parents' commitment to serving the Lord stands, and they continue to pray and hope for the day when their child will return to or embrace the faith. Their declaration is a reflection of their dedication to God's service and their role in leading their household, even in the face of challenges. It’s too long to send the whole thing. But it’s good to know for others with the same question
    – Lyd
    Commented Sep 5 at 12:56
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    Yes, that's another good way to put it. Joshua isn't making a prediction of future events, he's making a declaration of his intention.
    – workerjoe
    Commented Sep 5 at 13:18
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Joshua is simply stating the fact that as the father/head of the household, the policy of the household is that they will serve the Lord.

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

The Bible is clear that the father/husband is the HEAD of the household.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

As Christian fathers/husbands, WE are the rulers of our families/households and yes, we ought to lead our families in service of the Lord. This means laying down rules for our children, disciplining them, and teaching them the Bible.

Ephesians 6:1-4 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Keep in mind also that under Mosaic Law, Israel was a theocracy and there was no freedom to worship other gods. The penalty for idolatry was death.

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

But as Christian men, we are the leaders of our households and ought to lead our households in worship of the Lord. If there are unsaved people, it is on them.

In the Church Age, there is no command to execute the unsaved. We preach the Gospel; there is no physical nation that God rules over.

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