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I recently found out on quora that the Catholic Bible has 73 books; the Orthodox Bible contains 76 or 77 books; the Protestant 66; and the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo (Amharic) has 81 books. With these differences, how can all these Bibles be the word of God; if there is no standard version? How does one convince a non-Christian that the Bible is the infallible word of God, when there is no agreement as to what books make up the Bible?

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    The very fact that there are four different factions (which you state) and not one, single, united body tells us that, in the world, there are differences of opinion among humanity as to what Christianity is (exactly). Therefore, anyone who seeks absolute truth (and that is a splendid thing to seek) must use judgment and discernment to find what is true and to avoid what is false. Anyone who is led of the Holy Spirit of God will be led in a right path and will be guided through all that is false, to find the Lord as he is truly declared within His Own (pure and infallible) word.
    – Nigel J
    Commented Aug 9 at 22:08
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    God could make his word blaze in the sky over every place humans go. I've long wondered "why put it in a book?".
    – JonathanZ
    Commented Aug 10 at 17:46
  • And you won’t convince them. It’s not our job to convince people of anything. It’s our job to preach the gospel to those who don’t yet believe and to pray for them that God will reveal himself to them. To those who do believe it’s our job to teach God’s word about how to live as Christians. God changes hearts and minds, we don’t.
    – bob
    Commented Aug 10 at 19:14
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    And there's also the CLS bible
    – JimmyJames
    Commented Aug 12 at 20:56
  • @JimmyJames thanks for the link. Had never bothered to learn about Latter Day Saints. When i followed the link, i was pleasantly surprised by this quote: "Latter-day Saints revere the Bible. They study it and believe it to be the word of God. However, they do not believe the Bible, as it is currently available, is without error." Commented Aug 13 at 20:27

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Let's say I have a stack of manuscripts that claim to be written by Shakespeare. Some of them certainly are genuine works of Shakespeare, but some might be forgeries (or maybe none are!). To your summary Question ("Can the Bible be the word of God, when there are multiple versions of it?"), the existence of forgeries however does not somehow make the genuine works not-genuine. Note, however, that it's more accurate to say that "the Bible" contains the Word of God. Depending on which "Bible" we're asking about (and on your own beliefs), it may or may not contain additional text that is not the Word of God... but such inclusions don't somehow invalidate those portions that are the Word of God.

Mind the corollary, however. "How can all these Bibles be the word of God?" The answer here is that many Christians believe that these "extended" Bibles aren't (entirely) the Word of God, though they would still say that they contain the Word of God to the extent that they overlap with what that sect believes to be the Word of God.

As to how I might go about convincing someone else that they are genuine? Well, first off, that problem doesn't really relate to how I explain the forgeries. "How do we know that e.g. Matthew is the Word of God" is a separate Question. As it pertains to your question about versions, however, I would probably take the lowest common denominator (i.e. the Protestant Canon) and say that that is (almost certainly) the Word of God, and that other things may or may not be additional Word of God. (If I take a book by such-and-such author, and rip out a bunch of pages, what's left is still written by the same author.)

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    In many traditions (Russian Orthodoxy, I believe Catholicism) that accept apocrypha, they're referred to as "non-canonical" or "deutorocanonical". That doesn't necessarily indicate lesser status but does demonstrate that there's really no disagreement about the original canon. So yes, there's a real question about the authority of the apocryphal books, that goes beyond the scope of this question, but that's not a reason to doubt the undisputed canon.
    – user111403
    Commented Aug 10 at 9:47
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    This is, of course, the correct answer. It should be noted that the Apocrypha are not forgeries per se as those books don't make internal claims to canonical status. It's as if a work composed anonymously was claimed by someone else to be Shakespeare's. Commented Aug 10 at 18:55
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    I think this answer is logically sound, as far as it goes, but by failing to endorse some sort of causal story about what makes a book canonical, it cedes far too much ground. I could, of course, found my own sect that only recognizes (say) the Gospel of John as canonical, and you would be forced to accept that as the new lowest common denominator. (This isn't just a thought experiment: Luther, e.g., called into question the authenticity of James.)
    – brianpck
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    @brianpck yes, worth noting that the terms are not universally equivalent. I believe Catholics use the term "deuterocanonical". "Non-canonical" is sometimes used informally in Orthodoxy, although the books are in fact considered fully canonical and authoritative. The point though is that there's an undisputed original canon, and then some books that were later added to the canon. You can evaluate the decision to add books on its merits, but it doesn't raise questions regarding the original canon.
    – user111403
    Commented Aug 12 at 6:40
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    And I think your second comment actually strengthens the argument, because that original canon continues to be undisputed despite occasional attempts to exclude something (it also proves that Protestants didn't just remove some books because they didn't fit Luther's theology, as Catholics sometimes claim). Some accept the decision to add apocryphal books, some don't, but beyond that the church has always throughout history rejected attempts to exclude anything else.
    – user111403
    Commented Aug 12 at 6:45
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This question questions the canon of scripture. The various canons have differing numbers of small books that, together comprise what is called "the Bible". Those, however, do not make up "multiple versions" of the Bible - for that, one needs to examine the multiple translations that abound today.

The question seeks to know how we can determine what is "the word of God" when different printed copies of the Bible have differing numbers of small books comprising the whole. The history of the development of determining the canon of the Hebrew scriptures, then that of the Greek scriptures is revealing, but still would not answer the question as to determining what is "the word of God". The reason for that is that the various canons came after the Hebrew and Greek writings had been completed.

So, to tackle the problem of differing canons is to put the cart before the horse, so to speak. The inspired scriptures came first, and were known, first to the Jewish people who revered the collection of inspired writings entrusted to their care for centuries, then to the first century Christians who held to those plus the writings penned by Christians in that first century. Examining the decisions of the Jewish Council of Rabbis at Jamnia in 100 A.D. would show how they differentiated between holy scripture and other writings that were revered by them but not said to be the word of God. It was not until A.D. 363 that the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament, along with what are called 'the Deuterocanonicals'(by others as 'the Apocrypha'), plus 27 books of the New Testament were to be read in churches. That is the same 27 we have today.

There is an interesting explanation of how the biblical canon developed from 360 onward, from the Catholic point of view, at http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap030700.htm One interesting quote is:

"The final infallible definition of canonical books for Roman Catholic Christians came from the Council of Trent in 1556 in the face of the errors of the Reformers who rejected seven Old Testament books from the canon of scripture to that time."

Protestants would beg to differ, of course, and you can read explanations, for example, at these links: http://www.gotquestions.org/apocrypha-deuterocanonical.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/proof-inspiration-Bible.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-breathed.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-inspired.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

The answer to the question is that, Yes, the Bible can be the word of God, despite differing canons as to what small books should comprise it. That is because God's Holy Spirit inspired all the writers to write what he was communicating to humans, so that the autographs of those were 100% the infallible word of God. Thereafter, it should not surprise anybody that the arch-enemy of God would do everything possible to undermine that holy word, including questioning the Bible's legitimate contents, to giving rise to an almost free-for-all production these days of various versions of it. A much more subtle subversion is saying that the Bible we have today "contains the word of God" but is not, in its entirety, the word of God. That should give rise to further questions.

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    To be clear, when a Protestant says the Catholic (or Orthodox, or ...) Bible contains the Word of God, what they mean (at least, those that subscribe to the Chicago Statement) is that it contains some books which are entirely the Word of God, as well as other books which (on account of containing historical inaccuracies and contradictions with respect the the 'true' canon) are not the Word of God. The Protestant Canon is 100% the Word of God. Other books... may be wholly, in part, or not at all the Word of God.
    – Matthew
    Commented Aug 11 at 1:44
  • @Anne, you answered beautifully. God continue to bless you and yours Commented Aug 11 at 19:24
  • @Matthew, the Catholic may well retort that the Protestant Bible is "incomplete" for excluding certain books!! Thanks for always being ready to enlighten us. Bless you Commented Aug 11 at 19:28
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    You can go back farther than Athanasius' canon list, to Origen ca 250 AD. See michaeljkruger.com/… Commented Aug 11 at 22:00
  • @Anne, most scholars nowadays refute the assertion that the Council of Jamnia ever happened and its alleged purpose or effect. See: <bible.ca/b-canon-council-of-jamnia.htm> and evidenceunseen.com/world-religions/roman-catholicism/… .. From the last website, you will read: "Even though the story about a council at Jamnia is widely repeated in college textbooks about the Bible, the truth is, there is no evidence to support that a council was ever convened!!"" Commented Aug 14 at 21:14
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How does one convince a non-Christian that the Bible is the infallible word of God, when there is no agreement as to what BOOKS MAKE UP THE BIBLE?

You're putting the cart before the horse. To someone who doesn't believe in God, the claim that the Bible is the infallible word of God is simply nonsense, and trying to convert them that way is doomed to failure.

There are also non-trivial numbers of Christians who regard the Bible as a human-written set of documents, inspired by God, whatever that means to them, but not dictated by him. I don't have numbers for the proportions.

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    By "plenty of Christians", do you mean most of them? It's unclear whether the remainder believe Scripture was dictated by God (a very rare belief AFAIK), or believe Scripture is not inspired (unfortunately not as rare a belief as it ought to be).
    – Matthew
    Commented Aug 11 at 1:47
  • @Matthew: See revised answers. Commented Aug 11 at 7:21
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    Most Christians believe in the dual authorship of scripture - for most that is what inspiration means. The dictation model of inspiration is almost a straw man.
    – curiousdannii
    Commented Aug 11 at 8:33
  • @curiousdannii: Yes, but the OP seems to think it's dictation, AFAICS. Commented Aug 11 at 10:52
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    @JohnDallman I don't see anything that the OP wrote that suggests they're thinking of a dictation model.
    – curiousdannii
    Commented Aug 11 at 11:42
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One piece of evidence for the validity of the Bible is that "the Catholic Church says so". Christianity does not come from the Bible, but rather, the Bible comes from the Church that was founded by Jesus way back in 33 AD. The Church's claim to authenticity is the unbroken chain of apostolic succession -- the first 11 apostles received authority and a mandate from Jesus, they passed it on to other apostles such as Matthias and Paul, who passed it on to others such as Timothy and Titus (all named in the New Testament), and this succession continues to the Catholic bishops of today.

Despite various conspiracy theories (usually about emperor Constantine) there is no historically recorded "break" in Church history where the apostles were replaced with imposters and the scriptures were changed. The continuity of Church history, by which we know that it is the same institution and it carries on the same teachings from the first century to the twenty-first, gives us a reason why we can trust its claims.

The Church was there in the first century when Jesus taught from the Old Testament, and later in that century when the New Testament was written; it was there in the fourth century when the scriptures were translated and selected to make up a Bible; and it still has the same books in its Bible today. So, this kind of argument puts a burden of proof on the skeptic: At what point in time, you may ask him, could the scriptures have been changed, and no one, not even the Church's enemies, made note of it?

In summary, the historical provenance of the Bible, as proven by the historical continuity of the institution that created and promulgated it, is a strong argument for the validity and authority of its contents.

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    do you really believe "because the Catholic Church says so" is a valid answer even for the Orthodox Bible? Commented Aug 12 at 17:50
  • I didn't make that claim. This line of reasoning strongly supports that the Catholic canon is the correct one.
    – workerjoe
    Commented Aug 12 at 20:43
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Short Answer Concerning Canonicity
To answer this important question we note that we are dealing with the study of canonicity, not just translations of the Bible.

Next note that the basic number of books in the Hebrew Bible of the Jews is accepted by all (Tanach): Genesis to 2 Chronicles (or Genesis to Malachi, in a different order).

And note that the over-whelming majority of New Testament books are accepted by all the different Christian religions (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxes).

With these books, we have the basic Holy Bible of Christianity. They present the Good New of the appearance of the Messiah, and the completion of His redemptive work for mankind. This is the "Word of God" in essence. It is able to bring a man to salvation, to provide spiritual food to the hungry soul, and to bring man into fellowship with the most Holy and Loving God.

The Rest of the Books
Different streams of Christianity have indeed additional books for use in religious ceremony, additional historical information, and personal edification in private devotion.

Whether a Church accepts any one of these additional books, has not been considered a matter of salvation, nor a requirement for entrance into heaven. Although, a particular Branch may be adamant about including them in their Canon.

The Core
We all can rest assured that the undisputed core Books of the Biblical canon are inspired, and a clear lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path in our walk with God.

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I'm going to provide an answer that differs from the others and from general though, just to be contrary (and hopefully nudge some brain gears into movement with a frame challenge).

Let me kick off with the following 2 quotes:

In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. (John 1:1, Amplified Bible)

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. (Revelation 19:13, Amplified Bible)

My takeaway: the "Word of God" is not a book, or a collection bound into one book. It is Christ. Christ came to earth with Gods message (or gospel: salvation in Christ, as opposed to damnation by the law). That message was written down in multiple ways, in multiple writings - we now have "multiple redundancy" of that message in the Bible (whatever the canon), and the message can be heard even from a fragment of one of the writings, and be believed by the hearer, and thus cause the hearer to be saved.

Where it gets more tricky is of course that the writings give more details (from various perspectives) surrounding the message, as well as various other things useful to the life and conduct of the believer. What is authoritative and what not? This is were the various canons come in. The danger I see here is that people revert back to literal legalism and intellectual learning in lieu of faith, in the process also doing damage to another believer's faith.

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The question you raise touches on the beautiful complexity of our faith traditions. God's revelation comes to us not only through Scripture but also through the living tradition of the Church. The variations in biblical canons among different Christian traditions reflect the historical processes through which communities of faith have discerned God's word.

While these differences may seem challenging, they also remind us of the rich diversity within the Christian family and the importance of ecumenical dialogue. Each tradition brings its own insights and understandings to the interpretation of Scripture, enriching our collective understanding of God's message.

The infallibility of Scripture, as we understand it in the Catholic tradition, does not depend on a uniform canon across all Christian denominations. Rather, it lies in the truth of salvation that God communicates through these sacred texts, guided by the Holy Spirit.

To a non-Christian, I would suggest approaching the Bible not as a single, monolithic text, but as a collection of powerful spiritual insights that have shaped human consciousness for millennia. The power of these texts lies not in their literal uniformity, but in their ability to speak to the deepest levels of human experience across diverse cultures and times.

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  • I went to the 'Christian Pure' link but was unable to read it because I refuse to give permission for them to force their cookies on me. Why don't they give the option to reject them? Interesting answer, though.
    – Lesley
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