Accordring to Trinitarians who is this person with a form, sitting on His throne?

Daniel 7:9-27 New King James Version Vision of the Ancient of Days

9 “I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire; 10 A fiery stream issued And came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, And the books were opened.

11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

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    As a Trinitarian: The Ancient of Days is God the Father. Mar 23 at 11:24
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    @LukeHill of course YHWH is rightly called Father by Jesus and all of crested beings. The title “God the Father” is a trinitarian one used to distinguish between the claimed three persons of the so called Godhead
    – Kris
    Mar 25 at 23:57
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    Lol not crested beings. Created beings.
    – Kris
    Mar 26 at 0:34
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    @LukeHill but Op is specific Wants an answer from those who think father son and hs are all God
    – Kris
    Mar 26 at 0:37
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    I happened to look this upon Wikipedia just today and apparently the east and west have different opinions: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_of_Days So apparently the east mainly thinks that the AoD is the Son while the west thinks he's the Father. Strange Apr 1 at 23:23

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The Ancient of Days is God the Father

Daniel 7:13:

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (ESV)

This closely mirrors Matthew 28:18:

18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (ESV)

Further, consider the words of the Angel to Mary in Luke 1:

30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of hthe Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” (ESV)

So the person coming to the Ancient of Days is Christ. Clearly in Daniel 7 the Ancient of Days is someone Daniel is familiar with, for he doesn't question who the Ancient of Days is, but does question what the meaning of the vision of "the one like the son of man".

As we know, Christ sits at the right hand of the Father, in accord with the above text about Christ being given authority and dominion, as a "right hand man" would be:

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. (Romans 8:34)

As a last note, notice how the end of Daniel parallels the Book of Revelation and it becomes pretty clear who the Ancient of Days is.

23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.26 “‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’28 “This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”

In conclusion, the Ancient of Days is God the Father.

  • I am told here by trinitarians that God the Father has no form. NO image actually... God the Son is the image of God. So the trinity believes in 2 persons with distinct forms that both sit on thrones and yet they claim 1 God? Mar 24 at 20:43
  • @ReadLessPrayMore I don’t understand your question - what do you mean by “form”? Are you referring to the platonic idea of form or something like “image”?
    – Luke Hill
    Mar 24 at 21:59
  • Yes. That is what I mean. The Father has a body and He sits on a Throne. Many visions confirm this. Mar 24 at 22:18
  • @ReadLessPrayMore I gave you two options - saying yes doesn’t help me narrow down what you’re saying.
    – Luke Hill
    Mar 24 at 22:55
  • I am using the word 'form' in the more classical sense which precedes Plato's theory. And by image in this case I mean "able to be directly observed". Do you think you will see the Father in heaven? Mar 25 at 5:08

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