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| Dec 29, 2023 at 15:09 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @pygosceles Sure. Everything in the universe is caused and God is not. If God was caused, if He "became" God by proper behavior or some such, then some process was in place which must have been created by greater than him, was his God. That God, presumably, 'became" God as well through a similar process, and so on, and so on until we are left with an infinite regression of Gods. The Bible, however, tells us that God knows of no other Gods. How could omniscient God not know of the one who used to be his God? Isaiah 44:8 | |
| Dec 28, 2023 at 16:43 | comment | added | pygosceles | Let's try to be rigorous. If a person does not know the differences and similarities between time and eternity, perhaps he should simply admit that he does not know, rather than resorting to distinctions without a difference, void of definition. The usual use of the word "timeless" implies that the value of a timeless thing is independent of time, or rather never worsens with age. In this other context it can mean "without team", but that is poorly defined. I believe a rigorous Scriptural definition of causality is in order. | |
| Dec 28, 2023 at 14:27 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @pygosceles I simply suggest that the notion of "taking a literal eternity" is a category mistake; as though eternity is an infinity of time. "Moment in eternity" is simply the best I can do in trying to isolate something within timelessness. differencebetween.com/…. See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity | |
| Dec 27, 2023 at 15:57 | comment | added | pygosceles | if that is the answer then we should simply say, "You shouldn't ask such questions because we don't know and cannot comprehend an answer to them" or "the question is nonsense because we assume God doesn't make sense". But such dogmas fly in the face of John 17:3. If moment in eternity makes no sense, why is it used in the answer here? If the question is nonsensical or forbidden, then why are those exact same concepts part of an answer about them? | |
| Dec 27, 2023 at 14:19 | history | edited | Mike Borden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 27, 2023 at 13:56 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @pygosceles Of course 'moment' makes no sense in eternity. Neither does the idea of 'prior to time'. We, who are entirely temporal and cannot comprehend eternity certainly cannot express it and yet we try because eternity is where God lives. (Isaiah 57:15). | |
| Dec 27, 2023 at 7:34 | comment | added | pygosceles | "Had always purposed to create" - this makes God sound like the master of all procrastinators, taking a literal eternity to get around to creating anything! The very idea necessarily lessens God in the estimation of man. What prevented Him from creating previously, then? Did He lack the materials? Or the know-how? What made this "moment" appropriate for creation, or how is a moment even defined outside of time? Could you explain how a concept of "prior to time" could exist or make sense without resorting to time in your definition of it? Did God stop creating? | |
| Dec 26, 2023 at 14:16 | history | answered | Mike Borden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |